Red Mosquito

Posted: **Thu February 28, 2013 10:41 pm**

everything about this.

edit: fuck it this new board's youtube tag sucks.

Posted: **Thu February 28, 2013 11:01 pm**

Posted: **Thu February 28, 2013 11:01 pm**

McParadigm wrote:Favoring time frame (possibly tour based?) over their intentions on Binaural. If you're going to experiment sonically, and/or to attempt to redefine your songwriting to a degree, then it's just not going to happen as swiftly as your usual Neil Young-inspired approach. It's also going to be a lot harder, and require a great deal more legwork for fewer results.

Of course, it might not have been a time issue so much as their knee jerk paranoia regarding anything that feels like conflict during the creative process. Either way, if they'd taken the time, been flexible, and been committed and determined enough to see that experiment through, the end product would have been remarkable. It would have served as a rebirth and, I believe, made them much more confident about branching out further as time went by. Instead, it instigated an artistic retreat and eventual flatlining that left them pretty much an irrelevant nostalgia act.

This is well-put and a good theory, but even if Binaural had become this remarkable thing that would have jump-started a new confidence and branching out, don't you think that Roskilde probably played a bigger role in the ensuing artistic retreat and nostalgia concerts and therefore it would have happened anyway?

Posted: **Thu February 28, 2013 11:33 pm**

turned2black wrote:Honestly, probably not disbanding.

Posted: **Thu February 28, 2013 11:38 pm**

making B a mod

Posted: **Thu February 28, 2013 11:41 pm**

delanoche wrote:
McParadigm wrote:Favoring time frame (possibly tour based?) over their intentions on Binaural. If you're going to experiment sonically, and/or to attempt to redefine your songwriting to a degree, then it's just not going to happen as swiftly as your usual Neil Young-inspired approach. It's also going to be a lot harder, and require a great deal more legwork for fewer results.

Of course, it might not have been a time issue so much as their knee jerk paranoia regarding anything that feels like conflict during the creative process. Either way, if they'd taken the time, been flexible, and been committed and determined enough to see that experiment through, the end product would have been remarkable. It would have served as a rebirth and, I believe, made them much more confident about branching out further as time went by. Instead, it instigated an artistic retreat and eventual flatlining that left them pretty much an irrelevant nostalgia act.
This is well-put and a good theory, but even if Binaural had become this remarkable thing that would have jump-started a new confidence and branching out, don't you think that Roskilde probably played a bigger role in the ensuing artistic retreat and nostalgia concerts and therefore it would have happened anyway?

i think it might be hard to overstate just exactly what roskilde did to this band. i didnt realize it was as heavy as it was until i saw pj20, w/ the band actually witnessing fans who have died. thats such a fucked up scene its hard to even wrap my brain around the emotions someone must feel from seeing that. people complain about pearl jam being too comfortable now and how the live shows are a celebration. i think its all b/c of roskilde. not breaking up after that has made them into the band they are today, for better or worse.

Posted: **Thu February 28, 2013 11:42 pm**

McParadigm wrote:Favoring time frame (possibly tour based?) over their intentions on Binaural. If you're going to experiment sonically, and/or to attempt to redefine your songwriting to a degree, then it's just not going to happen as swiftly as your usual Neil Young-inspired approach. It's also going to be a lot harder, and require a great deal more legwork for fewer results.

how much did they really change their songwriting?

Posted: **Fri March 01, 2013 12:59 am**

Blenheim Augustine wrote:

Have you heard the boot? Euck.. so gross.

Posted: **Fri March 01, 2013 1:03 am**

I don't know. None of it really bothers me. I'm still a pretty starry-eyed, super-excitable, forward looking fan. They haven't really disappointed me or let me down yet. Maybe I'm being willfully naive.

Posted: **Fri March 01, 2013 1:13 am**

durdencommatyler wrote:I don't know. None of it really bothers me. I'm still a pretty starry-eyed, super-excitable, forward looking fan. They haven't really disappointed me or let me down yet. Maybe I'm being willfully naive.

I don't think so. People who are still happy with the music probably tend to feel like this. People who aren't start to look for the place where, in their mind, it all went wrong.

Posted: **Fri March 01, 2013 1:15 am**

Ive been super happy and excited over pearl jam pretty much since day 1. But the last year something has changed.....

As soon as new album info comes out ill become fanboy again! Dont worry RM! Res. Fan Boy is here to stay.

Spoiler: show: i do hope the next album is a departure, and interesting, and cool....

Posted: **Fri March 01, 2013 2:57 am**

Maybe the hold that Ed had over the band back in 93-94 which lead to his reluctance (both then and on through to present time) to address the Dave A situation. I know very little of the happening around this time but if Stone had told Ed to do the dirty work himself or at least with the full band present, then maybe there would have been a better relationship dynamic within the band from then on.

Also while I'm on this time of the band, are there any quotations from Jeff, Stone and Mike regarding the I got Shit/Long Road ep and the lack of actual PJ members performing the songs (okay Jeff played on LRd). It has always struck me as the moment of power shift from Stone to Ed (well the public moment).

Posted: **Fri March 01, 2013 3:11 am**

The lack of healthy conflict between Stone and Ed in the studio and as songwriters.

Posted: **Fri March 01, 2013 4:23 am**

The band not realizing how butthurt Stone has been since 2000ish and making no attempt to bring him back into the fold. Instead, they have just allowed him to hang out on the periphery and toss on junk like Supersonic for the last decade.

The band should have engaged Stone.

...there is still time

Posted: **Fri March 01, 2013 4:27 am**

Pearl Jam are a lot like the Lakers. They suck now because they don't make each other better. They all operate as individuals. Age and athleticism not a factor 2012 Pearl Jam would get destroyed by 98 Pearl Jam in a game of basketball.

Posted: **Fri March 01, 2013 4:29 am**

verb_to_trust wrote:The band not realizing how butthurt Stone has been since 2000ish and making no attempt to bring him back into the fold. Instead, they have just allowed him to hang out on the periphery and toss on junk like Supersonic for the last decade.

The band should have engaged Stone.

...there is still time

All Or None and Parachutes are two of the finest post Binaural moments.

Posted: **Fri March 01, 2013 4:36 am**

Diamonds in the rough, for sure.

Posted: **Fri March 01, 2013 4:46 am**

verb_to_trust wrote:Diamonds in the rough, for sure.

Posted: **Fri March 01, 2013 4:58 am**

WtOB? wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:Diamonds in the rough, for sure.

I miss that guy...

Posted: **Fri March 01, 2013 5:01 am**

verb_to_trust wrote:
WtOB? wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:Diamonds in the rough, for sure.

I miss that guy...

Me too. He was luscious.

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