The Defiant Ones

[VinylGuy]

Downloading this right now.

[TremorJam]

I loved seeing dr dre now, as a 50 year old man who accomplished so much throughout his career. It's refreshing in the way i find pearl jam frustrating as grown men somehow... I feel like dr dre did what he set out to do and came out the other side as both successful and true to his own personal ethics, where pearl jam came out the other side as successful and complacent about their standards... Or maybe it was just ed who did, but i got a satisfying feeling from watching this set of shows that I'd been looking for in modern day pj, and have been missing. Not sure how else to explain it, and I'm not looking to argue about pearl jam with anyone, just trying to express my thoughts on what makes this such a cool series for me.

This is exactly where I'm at with it, so I totally get what you're saying. I've only watched the first episode so far, but I'm glad HBO is airing this.

[Superblood Wolfmoon]

I've enjoyed the first three eps immensely. The way they split between each guy's narrative is so well done, until their paths finally cross and the story becomes two perspectives of the same events and how they changed each man. This really should win some awards, it's been such an enjoyable experience watching it.

[Jammer XCI]

Yeah this is pretty great, I've watched the first 2 episodes. I've been more interested in the Dr. Dre stuff compared to the Jimmy Iovine stuff so far.

[malice]

Yeah this is pretty great, I've watched the first 2 episodes. I've been more interested in the Dr. Dre stuff compared to the Jimmy Iovine stuff so far.

I really had no clue the two were so closely linked, so watching them both talk about how it all played out was cool to me from either or both.

[TremorJam]

Yeah this is pretty great, I've watched the first 2 episodes. I've been more interested in the Dr. Dre stuff compared to the Jimmy Iovine stuff so far.

I really had no clue the two were so closely linked, so watching them both talk about how it all played out was cool to me from either or both.

Yeah, I found this to be pretty historic and informative. It was really cool seeing how everything connected.

Spoiler: show

I especially liked the Interscope Records part. Rico Suave!

[Strat]

I loved seeing dr dre now, as a 50 year old man who accomplished so much throughout his career. It's refreshing in the way i find pearl jam frustrating as grown men somehow... I feel like dr dre did what he set out to do and came out the other side as both successful and true to his own personal ethics, where pearl jam came out the other side as successful and complacent about their standards... Or maybe it was just ed who did, but i got a satisfying feeling from watching this set of shows that I'd been looking for in modern day pj, and have been missing. Not sure how else to explain it, and I'm not looking to argue about pearl jam with anyone, just trying to express my thoughts on what makes this such a cool series for me.

On the flipside...

What a fucking time to be alive and be a part of the cultural and artistic revolution that occurred. Pearl Jam was also a part of that.

Im on episode 3 now and i really love how they rae connecting Snoop, Manson, Reznor, and all of these alternative artists that were severaly pushing the boundaries of free speech in the art for the time. The Government freaking out and trying to put a stop to such ridiculously perceived indecencies.....

I was in my early to late teens during this time frame so i probably didnt pick up on the intensity of all of this at the time but geezes.....

Some of this overlaps with pearl jams story just the same. I think that is very cool and also very depressing in that here we are today......

What a lot of these artists did to change the conversation and did push the envelope that may have lead to some sort of social change. And it is also super depressing that possibly because of this - we have elected a dunce who has admitted to sexual assault...


So, fuck you snoop dog, trent reznor, eddie vedder, Marilyn manson, etc....

Where is leave it to beaver when you need it?

[malice]

What strat said is about the same reaction i had, all this was happening at the same time, and i think there actually was a general sense of excitement as the 90s unfolded. I was in my twenties through most of that time, and throughout i felt like - finally there's something worthwhile going on with my generation, something that felt real to me in a way other cultural events didn't, i guess because it didn't have any lasting effect on me? But this stuff, musically and culturally did, and influenced and continues to influence my perspective on the culture. I guess it can be depressing to look back on it compared to now, but i think this is true for all (or most?) people. We have a romantic bent to our past, we have a cynical view of our present. So whatever, i guess that plays a large part in what i liked about this show, it gives some weight to the truth of those years and how important they turned out to be.

[Mecca]

is Stevie Nicks anyone else's gypsy girl fantasy?

[VinylGuy]

Just finished ep 2.

Amazing doc....really good. Its everything that piece of shit movie wasnt.

[doone]

Very interesting, enjoyable series.

[spike]

What strat said is about the same reaction i had, all this was happening at the same time, and i think there actually was a general sense of excitement as the 90s unfolded. I was in my twenties through most of that time, and throughout i felt like - finally there's something worthwhile going on with my generation, something that felt real to me in a way other cultural events didn't, i guess because it didn't have any lasting effect on me? But this stuff, musically and culturally did, and influenced and continues to influence my perspective on the culture. I guess it can be depressing to look back on it compared to now, but i think this is true for all (or most?) people. We have a romantic bent to our past, we have a cynical view of our present. So whatever, i guess that plays a large part in what i liked about this show, it gives some weight to the truth of those years and how important they turned out to be.

Yeah man, when music history is executed correctly like this, it's all kinds of awesome.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.