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MITS is top drawer. One of the best from the album. Awesome drumming and good work from Ed.
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AgreedLetMeSleep wrote:MITS is top drawer. One of the best from the album. Awesome drumming and good work from Ed.
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I didn't much care for the album version but the live versions of Marker from the 2006 tour were excellent. That instrumental bridge is great. It's a shame that it has virtually disappeared from their live repertoire (and that it wasn't captured more successfully in the studio.)
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Interesting. I feel the opposite. I like the verses a lot-- they're menacing, exciting, propulsive. Then the chorus comes along and it's just a soggy, sloppy misfire.HardTI wrote:I think I'm agreeing with whoever said the verses are pearl jam by numbers. I like the breakdown in the middle and wish that was longer. That would turn it into a song I don't skip over.theplatypus wrote:Are you saying "I hate Marker. I wish it was longer." ?HardTI wrote:I hate Marker and Gone. Marker would have been salvageable if it had an extended jam in the middle, but is mostly cannot stand that song.
*Edit - I just realized they said it was the chorus, not the verse. The chorus and that little jam I really do enjoy. The verses kill the song for me. I absolutely hate that main riff of the song.
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Yeah the verses are the best part.theplatypus wrote:Interesting. I feel the opposite. I like the verses a lot-- they're menacing, exciting, propulsive. Then the chorus comes along and it's just a soggy, sloppy misfire.HardTI wrote:I think I'm agreeing with whoever said the verses are pearl jam by numbers. I like the breakdown in the middle and wish that was longer. That would turn it into a song I don't skip over.theplatypus wrote:Are you saying "I hate Marker. I wish it was longer." ?HardTI wrote:I hate Marker and Gone. Marker would have been salvageable if it had an extended jam in the middle, but is mostly cannot stand that song.
*Edit - I just realized they said it was the chorus, not the verse. The chorus and that little jam I really do enjoy. The verses kill the song for me. I absolutely hate that main riff of the song.
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I like how the chorus has that different flow than the verses, it's kinda like the weird up and down flow of LBC.
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"Marker" is one of my favorite Pearl Jam songs. I've never understood the objections to the chorus--I think it's fantastic.
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The verses are like you're free falling out of a plane, thrashing maniacally in the wind; the chorus is like the moment when your chute opens and you begin coasting smoothly to the ground in triumphant, major-key majesty.WtOB? wrote:I like how the chorus has that different flow than the verses, it's kinda like the weird up and down flow of LBC.
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Kevin Davis wrote:The verses are like you're free falling out of a plane, thrashing maniacally in the wind; the chorus is like the moment when your chute opens and you begin coasting smoothly to the ground in triumphant, major-key majesty.WtOB? wrote:I like how the chorus has that different flow than the verses, it's kinda like the weird up and down flow of LBC.
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Def agree it's a song that is much more appealing live. I guess that's true for a lot of songs but if you made a chart of songs most improved by their best live versions, this would be higher than most.Birds in Hell wrote:I didn't much care for the album version but the live versions of Marker from the 2006 tour were excellent. That instrumental bridge is great. It's a shame that it has virtually disappeared from their live repertoire (and that it wasn't captured more successfully in the studio.)
And let's face it, SH and also Comatose (though I like it less) are tremendous live.
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Totally disagree with the both of you. MITS is better in the studio. Then again, the song wasn't played a lot live, so it's very possible I haven't heard the version(s) that you both think are better. Also, I'm in the camp where I prefer almost everything PJ does in the studio better than live versions.yofismom wrote:Def agree it's a song that is much more appealing live. I guess that's true for a lot of songs but if you made a chart of songs most improved by their best live versions, this would be higher than most.Birds in Hell wrote:I didn't much care for the album version but the live versions of Marker from the 2006 tour were excellent. That instrumental bridge is great. It's a shame that it has virtually disappeared from their live repertoire (and that it wasn't captured more successfully in the studio.)
And let's face it, SH and also Comatose (though I like it less) are tremendous live.
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I am too for the most part, but Marker is a definite exception. I thought they nailed it most nights in 2006, especially through the European leg (one example is on the Black Market Avocado compilation I put together, if you'll permit the self-promotion.)darth_vedder wrote:Totally disagree with the both of you. MITS is better in the studio. Then again, the song wasn't played a lot live, so it's very possible I haven't heard the version(s) that you both think are better. Also, I'm in the camp where I prefer almost everything PJ does in the studio better than live versions.yofismom wrote:Def agree it's a song that is much more appealing live. I guess that's true for a lot of songs but if you made a chart of songs most improved by their best live versions, this would be higher than most.Birds in Hell wrote:I didn't much care for the album version but the live versions of Marker from the 2006 tour were excellent. That instrumental bridge is great. It's a shame that it has virtually disappeared from their live repertoire (and that it wasn't captured more successfully in the studio.)
And let's face it, SH and also Comatose (though I like it less) are tremendous live.
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I have that! I'm gonna listen when I get homeBirds in Hell wrote:I am too for the most part, but Marker is a definite exception. I thought they nailed it most nights in 2006, especially through the European leg (one example is on the Black Market Avocado compilation I put together, if you'll permit the self-promotion.)darth_vedder wrote:Totally disagree with the both of you. MITS is better in the studio. Then again, the song wasn't played a lot live, so it's very possible I haven't heard the version(s) that you both think are better. Also, I'm in the camp where I prefer almost everything PJ does in the studio better than live versions.yofismom wrote:Def agree it's a song that is much more appealing live. I guess that's true for a lot of songs but if you made a chart of songs most improved by their best live versions, this would be higher than most.Birds in Hell wrote:I didn't much care for the album version but the live versions of Marker from the 2006 tour were excellent. That instrumental bridge is great. It's a shame that it has virtually disappeared from their live repertoire (and that it wasn't captured more successfully in the studio.)
And let's face it, SH and also Comatose (though I like it less) are tremendous live.
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So...I don't want to wait till I get home...What version of MITS is used on your Black Market mix? I'll look for it on the internets.
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Prague 2006.darth_vedder wrote:So...I don't want to wait till I get home...What version of MITS is used on your Black Market mix? I'll look for it on the internets.
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^Thanks!
I didn't see it on YouTube, but did get see this one. It's pretty good:
I didn't see it on YouTube, but did get see this one. It's pretty good:
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I just wish the studio versions weren't so slow.darth_vedder wrote:Totally disagree with the both of you. MITS is better in the studio. Then again, the song wasn't played a lot live, so it's very possible I haven't heard the version(s) that you both think are better. Also, I'm in the camp where I prefer almost everything PJ does in the studio better than live versions.yofismom wrote:Def agree it's a song that is much more appealing live. I guess that's true for a lot of songs but if you made a chart of songs most improved by their best live versions, this would be higher than most.Birds in Hell wrote:I didn't much care for the album version but the live versions of Marker from the 2006 tour were excellent. That instrumental bridge is great. It's a shame that it has virtually disappeared from their live repertoire (and that it wasn't captured more successfully in the studio.)
And let's face it, SH and also Comatose (though I like it less) are tremendous live.
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i love everything about 'marker in the sand'. matt's drumming is the first thing that stands out. i love the riff. its def got a pearl jam feel to it, but not in a bad way like they are overly trying to sound like a pearl jam riff. the chrous is like a totally different song. its like the opposite of the frenzy of the verse, it confidently sores through the song. i also love the way they last verse comes out of the bridge. i'm not sure whats going on musically there, but it kinda gives me a boner. they only complaint i could have is that the ending could have been jammed out a little longer, but to me this song holds up to any material they've ever made.
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I'm with you. I think its the best song on S/T, with Parachutes close behind. My only criticism, as others have mentioned, would be the terrible recording. If the guitars sounded a little beefier, I think it'd be a lot more popular.
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^Same thoughts here too. We all know S/T sucks with production, but even still, MITS and Parachutes are my favorites from it.