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Re: River Cross

Posted: Sat March 28, 2020 4:13 pm
by evenslow
Some really, really good songs here. Anyway, here's the definitive list:

Release
All Those Yesterdays
Around the Bend
Immortality
Indifference
River Cross
Parting Ways
All or None
Inside Job
The End
Future Days

Re: River Cross

Posted: Sat March 28, 2020 4:25 pm
by warehouse
man their album closers are some of their best songs.

release
immortality
all those yesterdays
around the bend
parting ways
river cross
indifference
inside job
the end
all or none
future days

Re: River Cross

Posted: Sat March 28, 2020 4:29 pm
by 7 Years and Maybe Longer
I listened to all the closers in order the other day. Love most of them with some obvious exceptions:

Release
Parting Ways
All Those Yesterdays
River Cross
All or None
Indifference

The End
Inside Job

Stupid Mop

Future Days

Re: River Cross

Posted: Sat March 28, 2020 5:21 pm
by Hatfield
This one isn't grabbing me the way it has others. I need to listen more.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Sat March 28, 2020 9:27 pm
by stip
i think this is a song that has to hit you at the right moment to lock you in. Read the news, lay down in the dark, take a moment to reflect on where your life is right now and where you want it to be, and then turn this on

Re: River Cross

Posted: Sat March 28, 2020 10:42 pm
by evenslow
stip wrote:i think this is a song that has to hit you at the right moment to lock you in. Read the news, lay down in the dark, take a moment to reflect on where your life is right now and where you want it to be, and then turn this on
and think of peter gabriel.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Sat March 28, 2020 11:17 pm
by Ms Harmless
I wouldn't put this album above 8th place in their catalogue, but I'd put this song higher in my ranks of album closers

Re: River Cross

Posted: Sun March 29, 2020 1:19 am
by Strat
Ms Harmless wrote:I wouldn't put this album above 8th place in their catalogue, but I'd put this song higher in my ranks of album closers
Really? You seem to really love this album and I’m kind of surprised you’d still put it near the bottom of their catalogue

Re: River Cross

Posted: Sun March 29, 2020 1:41 am
by Ms Harmless
Strat wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:I wouldn't put this album above 8th place in their catalogue, but I'd put this song higher in my ranks of album closers
Really? You seem to really love this album and I’m kind of surprised you’d still put it near the bottom of their catalogue
I really do love this album, for what it represents: the very best of late-career Pearl Jam, bar none, and an album I can include with the first 7; the fact that it doesn't *break* those 7 is nothing against the album itself, and everything to do with my having pedestalled Ten through Riot Act as "canon", equal first place in my ranking - my favourite albums ever, of any band; I don't rank them, I wouldn't know how; that means Gigaton is "at the bottom" of an 8, and not moving up by default

I would rank the last 3

S/T
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Re: River Cross

Posted: Sun March 29, 2020 2:33 am
by 96583UP
really don't want to always associate this version with a Verizon commercial but I guess I do now...

that first live version into 'I'm So Tired' will always be the archetype in my mind... and love it

but oddly i might find myself avoiding this track on the album for a while .... I need time to disassociate it with Verizon

Re: River Cross

Posted: Sun March 29, 2020 4:53 am
by evenslow
96583UP wrote:really don't want to always associate this version with a Verizon commercial but I guess I do now...

that first live version into 'I'm So Tired' will always be the archetype in my mind... and love it

but oddly i might find myself avoiding this track on the album for a while .... I need time to disassociate it with Verizon
the good news is once you listen to the track 5 times, harrison ford evaporates.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Sun March 29, 2020 5:00 am
by daft twat
Immortality
Release
Indifference
Around the Bend
River Cross
All Those Yesterday’s
Inside Job
All or None
Parting Ways
The End
Future Days

Re: River Cross

Posted: Sun March 29, 2020 10:17 pm
by evenslow
if this doesn't fit our current moment, i don't know what does.

Drifting off in the undertow
Can't spot a figure on dry land
And afterthoughts of safety
When in truth, none to be had
None to be had

I used to tell time by my shadow
'Til the thunderclouds, they took the stage
These days will end as do the light's rays
Another read of the same page

Wide awake through this deepest night
Still waiting on the sun
As the hours seem to multiply
Find a star to soldier on
Living beneath a lion's paw
Knowing nothing can be tamed
Can be tamed

Re: River Cross

Posted: Sun March 29, 2020 10:19 pm
by evenslow
the way he sings these lines might be my favorite vocals of the record. powerful shit.

Here and now
Here and now
Can't hold me down
Can't hold me down

Re: River Cross

Posted: Sun March 29, 2020 10:43 pm
by oneway23
I appreciate the delivery, but, find myself wishing, on early listening, that Ed had employed a bit more of the far away, atmospheric & powerful vocal from Retrograde here.

It would have fit the lyrical theme throughout the first half of the song.

Save the more intimate, closer to the mic vocal approach when the plea for unity & perseverance takes over.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Mon March 30, 2020 12:56 am
by dprival78
still having trouble with the percussion. and even the kalimba. they need some reverb, or they need to be moved back in the mix. something.

or maybe they could need to go altogether. and take the government verse that was shoe-horned in with you.

in other words.. i'm still liking the live solo version better

Re: River Cross

Posted: Mon March 30, 2020 2:28 am
by Leatherhead
Ms Harmless wrote:I wouldn't put this album above 8th place in their catalogue, but I'd put this song higher in my ranks of album closers
I feel the opposite. I like the album more than I like this song.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Mon March 30, 2020 2:35 am
by oneway23
dprival78 wrote:still having trouble with the percussion. and even the kalimba. they need some reverb, or they need to be moved back in the mix. something.
Loved the song, but, will admit that I did find the additional instrumentation a bit distracting on first listen. You're right, IMO, that they probably could've been a little lower on the fader. I LIKE the additions, though, they maybe could've been panned more to the sides of the soundstage to give some spaciousness?

Re: River Cross

Posted: Mon March 30, 2020 4:46 am
by LetMeSleep
This could have done with a more Bon Iver approach. I appreciate what they've done (and it may well grow on me as time goes on) but I feel it's not subtle enough of a mix.

Re: River Cross

Posted: Mon March 30, 2020 9:26 am
by stip
when the dust settles this will be an Everybody Hurts style song for me. One I don’t listen to regularly to preserve its power when I do