Red Mosquito

JuanHamm wrote:

tree_ wrote:

JuanHamm wrote:

tree_ wrote:

JuanHamm wrote:Hmm, well he was a very naive person so I could see him thinking that way .

But we are given clues that the dad actually does want to be a better person throughout the season. Like during that walk on the beach you could really get a sense of his longing. He clearly struggles with sexual addiction and it is hard for him To change but he is trying. And how do we know that the mother wouldn’t also benefit from them getting back together? It isn’t necessarily all about helping his dad. We really do not know much about the mother. Surely she is flawed also.

His Dad is a serial cheater. I'm sure he does actually feel regretful and I'm sure he felt that way the previous times, too. That doesn't mean he's not going to get bored again eventually and do it again.

Good point. But maybe his son believes he might actually change this time.

Because he's naive

tree_ wrote:

epilogue wrote:

tree_ wrote:

JuanHamm wrote:

tree_ wrote:

JuanHamm wrote:Hmm, well he was a very naive person so I could see him thinking that way .

But we are given clues that the dad actually does want to be a better person throughout the season. Like during that walk on the beach you could really get a sense of his longing. He clearly struggles with sexual addiction and it is hard for him To change but he is trying. And how do we know that the mother wouldn’t also benefit from them getting back together? It isn’t necessarily all about helping his dad. We really do not know much about the mother. Surely she is flawed also.

His Dad is a serial cheater. I'm sure he does actually feel regretful and I'm sure he felt that way the previous times, too. That doesn't mean he's not going to get bored again eventually and do it again.

Good point. But maybe his son believes he might actually change this time.

If that's the case, why doesn't he go to bat for his dad before there's the other stuff on the line?

Putting other stuff on the line actually tests his character. He’s feeling him out

tree_ wrote:I just want to say that we wouldn’t be having these Nuanced Differing opinions of these characters and plot points if the show weren’t so terrifically written and acted. I’m thankful for you all for going on this journey with me and for such a great show.

tree_ wrote:I just want to say that we wouldn’t be having these Nuanced Differing opinions of these characters and plot points if the show weren’t so terrifically written and acted. I’m thankful for you all for going on this journey with me and for such a great show.

epilogue wrote:

tree_ wrote:

epilogue wrote:

tree_ wrote:

JuanHamm wrote:

tree_ wrote:

JuanHamm wrote:Hmm, well he was a very naive person so I could see him thinking that way .

But we are given clues that the dad actually does want to be a better person throughout the season. Like during that walk on the beach you could really get a sense of his longing. He clearly struggles with sexual addiction and it is hard for him To change but he is trying. And how do we know that the mother wouldn’t also benefit from them getting back together? It isn’t necessarily all about helping his dad. We really do not know much about the mother. Surely she is flawed also.

His Dad is a serial cheater. I'm sure he does actually feel regretful and I'm sure he felt that way the previous times, too. That doesn't mean he's not going to get bored again eventually and do it again.

Good point. But maybe his son believes he might actually change this time.

If that's the case, why doesn't he go to bat for his dad before there's the other stuff on the line?

Putting other stuff on the line actually tests his character. He’s feeling him out

Tests who's character? I don't understand what you mean.

Ello Sailor wrote:Albie post.

tree_ wrote:Read the goddamn thread spike

Just kidding. I’m albie

spike wrote:

tree_ wrote:Read the goddamn thread spike

Just kidding. I’m albie

You’re Tanya.

dad wrote:who’s the lounge singer dude?

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:Albums very naive, very green about the world. When the season opens, he lives in a very idealistic headspace. I think that’s been shattered considerably by the end of the season. Which way he’ll turn out is certainly up to the viewer.

I’m personally of the mind that his ideals will gradually become compromised, eroded, until he’s a slightly different version of his dad and grandad.

JuanHamm wrote:

tree_ wrote:

wease wrote:

tree_ wrote:

wease wrote:

dad wrote:

wease wrote:

tree_ wrote:It's an interesting theory, but I don't think anything directly tells us it's in his character to follow in the other men's footsteps. I feel his intentions are good throughout the show, and so he will continue with that trajectory after the credits. "White Knighting" isn't at all necessarily a dark path.

But look what his good intentions got him in the end. €50k down the shitter. That will certainly inform future intentions.

THIS.

And his mom back with his dad which he clearly never wanted.

This is how a selfish man would view it. But as a White Knight, he felt that even though he didn't directly benefit on the surface, he helped out a lady in need, making him feel quite good about himself.

But he shitcanned his own mom to do it.

Not if he believes his dad is actually trying harder to be a good man. It seems to me he just might

Do you think he would have gone to bat for his Dad if not for the 50k?