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Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Mon July 03, 2023 3:23 pm
by BurtReynolds
It's definitely not a shame because these two movies represent about 95% of everything wrong with Hollywood blockbusters right now, and their failures will hopefully start to force some changes.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Mon July 03, 2023 3:24 pm
by Jorge
Who are you talking to
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Mon July 03, 2023 3:26 pm
by BurtReynolds
Jorge wrote:Who are you talking to
VinylGuy wrote:Its a shame because i liked The Flash enough, and i think Indy is actually a pretty good movie but with those numbers, it was kind of impossible for them to actually make a profit.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Mon July 03, 2023 3:29 pm
by Jorge
That makes more sense than you replying to Argo's weird fedora story
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Mon July 03, 2023 3:30 pm
by lennytheweedwhacker
I bet he’s a cutie in it
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Mon July 03, 2023 3:32 pm
by BurtReynolds
lennytheweedwhacker wrote:I bet he’s a cutie in it
don't encourage him.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Mon July 03, 2023 3:42 pm
by bada
Jorge wrote:The Flash's budget isn't crazy. I mean it's very high, but it's not insane like Indy's. That's why Indy's going to be a bigger bomb overall.
I wouldn't be surprised if Flash was higher (off the books). It was in development for almost a decade. It was announced around the first episode of the CW show and came out after the ninth season. It went through multiple studio heads/rewrites/reshoots/reshuffles. I bet they spent insane amounts of money that wasn't included in the official numbers. Just the interest payments for all the years they sat on it. No one talks interest payments lol.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Mon July 03, 2023 3:45 pm
by Jorge
It's almost certainly higher than the official number but I don't think by much. Just about every project goes through several iterations of development but not every stage of the process involves spending a lot of money.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Mon July 03, 2023 3:47 pm
by bada
Don't ignore the interest payments Jorge!!!!!!!!!
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Mon July 03, 2023 4:35 pm
by VinylGuy
yeah they spent a lot more money in everything related to The Flash than Indy for sure. The whole project was doomed anyway and im glad the movie is out and i had so much fun with it.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Mon July 03, 2023 4:38 pm
by VinylGuy
BurtReynolds wrote:It's definitely not a shame because these two movies represent about 95% of everything wrong with Hollywood blockbusters right now, and their failures will hopefully start to force some changes.
i liked both movies and i would like them to have good box offices return BUT i dont really give a fuck about Hollywood´s problems right now.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Mon July 03, 2023 4:46 pm
by BurtReynolds
Why not?
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Mon July 03, 2023 4:46 pm
by The Argonaut
"In X's eyes the cinema is a special industry, in Y's an enlarged theatre. Z sees the box office figures."
-Robert Bresson, Notes on the Cinematograph
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Mon July 03, 2023 4:50 pm
by BurtReynolds
I guess if I uncritically liked whatever uncreative shit they shoveled down my throat, I wouldn't care either!
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Mon July 03, 2023 5:20 pm
by VinylGuy
BurtReynolds wrote:Why not?
got other stuff to care bout.
Hollywood is about trends so it ok its its going to change again.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Mon July 03, 2023 5:21 pm
by VinylGuy
BurtReynolds wrote:I guess if I uncritically liked whatever uncreative shit they shoveled down my throat, I wouldn't care either!
cool
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Tue July 04, 2023 12:59 am
by The Argonaut
The story of the early summer at the box office has been a story of disappointment. Little Mermaid, Flash, Indiana Jones, Pixar's Elemental: all under-performed.
So the narrative right now is: Hollywood is in trouble, big changes are bound to be right around the corner.
But the narrative is just a couple weeks away from changing. I predict July will be happy days.
Mission Impossible is going to make big bucks. Barbie will do great (I don't think I'll like it, tbh, but I think a lot of people are going to love it and I'm happy for them). I even think Oppenheimer is going to do well, for a serious movie aimed at adults.
Four weeks from now, the narrative won't be: Hollywood is dying, movie theatres are doomed, we'll never see another IP movie again. It's going to be all sunshine and rainbows. Just make good movies and the money will follow. Maybe superhero movies are dead
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Tue July 04, 2023 1:05 am
by VinylGuy
im fucking dying to see the next Mission Impossible. Ill imax that shit.
still on the fence about Oppenheimer, of course ill go see it because its Nolan tough.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Thu July 06, 2023 2:10 pm
by bada
Forbes has been going through UK tax returns and figuring out the true spends on recent Disney movies. Pretty eye opening. Dr. Strange cost $100 million more than they said it did. I wonder if any of the Phase 4 movies did more than break even if they are under reporting budgets by 100's of millions of dollars. Sony kept most of the Spider-Man profits. Force Awakens cost $500 million lol. Even still that made money but did they spend that much on the others sequels? Rise would have lost money for sure. Crazy.
Re: Box office talk!
Posted: Thu July 13, 2023 3:35 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.