Israel & Palestine

[E.H. Ruddock]

The Onion, nailing every cvnt to the wall


Q: Where can I learn more?
A: This is a logistically and morally complex situation involving decades of recent history and thousands of years of context

I feel like this is lost on both sides

[tree_]

I'm on the side that doesn't celebrate murder-rape

[dimejinky99]

Israel has just destroyed its first hospital this week.
Israel has bombed the Al Ahli Arab Hospital (Baptist Hospital) in Al Zaitoon neighborhood in Gaza, killing up to 200-300 patients and healthcare workers.

[dimejinky99]

The Onion, nailing every cvnt to the wall


Q: Where can I learn more?
A: This is a logistically and morally complex situation involving decades of recent history and thousands of years of context

I feel like this is lost on both sides

Every point on that list is a headfuck cos they’re all true.

[dimejinky99]

[tree_]

Israel has just destroyed its first hospital this week.
Israel has bombed the Al Ahli Arab Hospital (Baptist Hospital) in Al Zaitoon neighborhood in Gaza, killing up to 200-300 patients and healthcare workers.

Because Hamas is using them as human shields. A level Israel wouldn't stoop to. Hamas has put them in an impossible position.

[wease]

Israel has just destroyed its first hospital this week.
Israel has bombed the Al Ahli Arab Hospital (Baptist Hospital) in Al Zaitoon neighborhood in Gaza, killing up to 200-300 patients and healthcare workers.

Because Hamas is using them as human shields. A level Israel wouldn't stoop to. Hamas has put them in an impossible position.

But Israel is taking the position that those people are acceptable casualties. How is that any better?

[tree_]

Israel has just destroyed its first hospital this week.
Israel has bombed the Al Ahli Arab Hospital (Baptist Hospital) in Al Zaitoon neighborhood in Gaza, killing up to 200-300 patients and healthcare workers.

Because Hamas is using them as human shields. A level Israel wouldn't stoop to. Hamas has put them in an impossible position.

But Israel is taking the position that those people are acceptable casualties. How is that any better?

Extremely unfortunate collateral damage. But this is Hamas' doing; probably their plan all along to tarnish Israel's reputation on the world stage. As I said, they were put in an impossible position. Who uses their own people as human shields? Any decent people would never do such a thing.

Here's a little thought experiment I heard on Sam Harris' podcast. Imagine Israel using their people as human shields. It wouldn't work because Hamas wants even the "innocents" (infidels) dead. Israel doesn't want to kill innocent people, but they must do what they must do.

[wease]

Israel has just destroyed its first hospital this week.
Israel has bombed the Al Ahli Arab Hospital (Baptist Hospital) in Al Zaitoon neighborhood in Gaza, killing up to 200-300 patients and healthcare workers.

Because Hamas is using them as human shields. A level Israel wouldn't stoop to. Hamas has put them in an impossible position.

But Israel is taking the position that those people are acceptable casualties. How is that any better?

Extremely unfortunate collateral damage. But this is Hamas' doing; probably their plan all along to tarnish Israel's reputation on the world stage. As I said, they were put in an impossible position. Who uses their own people as human shields? Any decent people would never do such a thing.

Here's a little thought experiment I heard on Sam Harris' podcast. Imagine Israel using their people as human shields. It wouldn't work because Hamas wants even the "innocents" (infidels) dead. Israel doesn't want to kill innocent people, but they must do what they must do.

But surely Israel must shoulder some blame for their “kill them all, let god sort them out” approach.

[tree_]

Israel has just destroyed its first hospital this week.
Israel has bombed the Al Ahli Arab Hospital (Baptist Hospital) in Al Zaitoon neighborhood in Gaza, killing up to 200-300 patients and healthcare workers.

Because Hamas is using them as human shields. A level Israel wouldn't stoop to. Hamas has put them in an impossible position.

But Israel is taking the position that those people are acceptable casualties. How is that any better?

Extremely unfortunate collateral damage. But this is Hamas' doing; probably their plan all along to tarnish Israel's reputation on the world stage. As I said, they were put in an impossible position. Who uses their own people as human shields? Any decent people would never do such a thing.

Here's a little thought experiment I heard on Sam Harris' podcast. Imagine Israel using their people as human shields. It wouldn't work because Hamas wants even the "innocents" (infidels) dead. Israel doesn't want to kill innocent people, but they must do what they must do.

But surely Israel must shoulder some blame for their “kill them all, let god sort them out” approach.

Much like, say, America's decision to bomb Hiroshima. If you take the long view, ending it all now, despite the tragic loss of innocent lives, may be the decision that ends up saving the most innocent lives.

Intentions matter. One side wants peace, the other wants total destruction.

[Bi_3]

For context, Hamas locates command and control in hospitals for exactly this reason: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital

[dimejinky99]

Israel has just destroyed its first hospital this week.
Israel has bombed the Al Ahli Arab Hospital (Baptist Hospital) in Al Zaitoon neighborhood in Gaza, killing up to 200-300 patients and healthcare workers.

Because Hamas is using them as human shields. A level Israel wouldn't stoop to. Hamas has put them in an impossible position.

But Israel is taking the position that those people are acceptable casualties. How is that any better?

Extremely unfortunate collateral damage. But this is Hamas' doing; probably their plan all along to tarnish Israel's reputation on the world stage. As I said, they were put in an impossible position. Who uses their own people as human shields? Any decent people would never do such a thing.

Here's a little thought experiment I heard on Sam Harris' podcast. Imagine Israel using their people as human shields. It wouldn't work because Hamas wants even the "innocents" (infidels) dead. Israel doesn't want to kill innocent people, but they must do what they must do.

But surely Israel must shoulder some blame for their “kill them all, let god sort them out” approach.

I’m all for dialogue but one there is just an energy sucker.

Hamas aren’t or weren’t in that hospital.
Hundreds of Patients and doctors and medical staff were

‘But Hamas *might* have been there so it’s worth it!’ Will come Tree and others replies.
And that’s whTs wrong with it all.

You’re pissing into the wind even trying to have a discussion or learn anything with that one. .
You’ll learn in the next few posts. Weird you haven’t already.

[wease]

Israel has just destroyed its first hospital this week.
Israel has bombed the Al Ahli Arab Hospital (Baptist Hospital) in Al Zaitoon neighborhood in Gaza, killing up to 200-300 patients and healthcare workers.

Because Hamas is using them as human shields. A level Israel wouldn't stoop to. Hamas has put them in an impossible position.

But Israel is taking the position that those people are acceptable casualties. How is that any better?

Extremely unfortunate collateral damage. But this is Hamas' doing; probably their plan all along to tarnish Israel's reputation on the world stage. As I said, they were put in an impossible position. Who uses their own people as human shields? Any decent people would never do such a thing.

Here's a little thought experiment I heard on Sam Harris' podcast. Imagine Israel using their people as human shields. It wouldn't work because Hamas wants even the "innocents" (infidels) dead. Israel doesn't want to kill innocent people, but they must do what they must do.

But surely Israel must shoulder some blame for their “kill them all, let god sort them out” approach.

Much like, say, America's decision to bomb Hiroshima. If you take the long view, ending it all now, despite the tragic loss of innocent lives, may be the decision that ends up saving the most innocent lives.

Intentions matter. One side wants peace, the other wants total destruction.

But who’s to say that was the right decision?

[BurtReynolds]

Maybe if we continue to compare death counts and atrocities we'll figure out how to solve this problem. We're almost there keep going!

[tree_]

Israel has just destroyed its first hospital this week.
Israel has bombed the Al Ahli Arab Hospital (Baptist Hospital) in Al Zaitoon neighborhood in Gaza, killing up to 200-300 patients and healthcare workers.

Because Hamas is using them as human shields. A level Israel wouldn't stoop to. Hamas has put them in an impossible position.

But Israel is taking the position that those people are acceptable casualties. How is that any better?

Extremely unfortunate collateral damage. But this is Hamas' doing; probably their plan all along to tarnish Israel's reputation on the world stage. As I said, they were put in an impossible position. Who uses their own people as human shields? Any decent people would never do such a thing.

Here's a little thought experiment I heard on Sam Harris' podcast. Imagine Israel using their people as human shields. It wouldn't work because Hamas wants even the "innocents" (infidels) dead. Israel doesn't want to kill innocent people, but they must do what they must do.

But surely Israel must shoulder some blame for their “kill them all, let god sort them out” approach.

Much like, say, America's decision to bomb Hiroshima. If you take the long view, ending it all now, despite the tragic loss of innocent lives, may be the decision that ends up saving the most innocent lives.

Intentions matter. One side wants peace, the other wants total destruction.

But who’s to say that was the right decision?

At the time, it seemed like the best decision in the name of peace, for the greater good. Nobody is wise enough to know for sure; we can only do our best with what we're given. One thing is certain: it is bad to wish death upon and murder innocent people, as an end goal in of itself.

[E.H. Ruddock]

getting mad a bombing a hospital but not getting mad at attacking a music festival or switch that around. This will never end until humanity does.

[tree_]

I'll say it again: intentions matter. One is worse than the other.

[dimejinky99]

Washington Post: To keep the lights on in Gaza City’s largest hospital, Wissam AbuJarad, an anesthetist, said staff were collecting gas from dwindling stocks in the area to maintain a steady supply to their generators.

“If we run out of fuel, then we will lose all of the patients in the ICU, the babies in the incubators, and the patients who need surgery,” AbuJarad said.

He said that some staff had been reduced to drinking from IV solution bags because Israel had cut off water supplies to the enclave.



Yeah. But we got one of the hammas guys. Hopefully

[Bi_3]

Hamas could release the hostages...

[tree_]

Washington Post: To keep the lights on in Gaza City’s largest hospital, Wissam AbuJarad, an anesthetist, said staff were collecting gas from dwindling stocks in the area to maintain a steady supply to their generators.

“If we run out of fuel, then we will lose all of the patients in the ICU, the babies in the incubators, and the patients who need surgery,” AbuJarad said.

He said that some staff had been reduced to drinking from IV solution bags because Israel had cut off water supplies to the enclave.



Yeah. But we got one of the hammas guys. Hopefully

Why do you suppose Israel cut off supplies, do you think?