Red Mosquito

EJ wrote:I wonder if Jeff is like, "damn, he beat me to it." He would've been my vote to be the first (of this iteration of the band) to leave.

Peeps wrote:i am no where near the pj expert most of you are but i have a feeling i saw their last tour show

they are getting up there and touring does take a toll. whether you are a drummer, bassists, singer or guitar player

they had matt for the majority of their career and wouldnt be surprised that they just do the occasional benefit show/festival and go off their separate ways

darthvedder81 wrote:I don't understand the "Matt never fit into the band" argument. I thought he fit in great from day one. He's certainly the most well-rounded drummer they ever had. Jack was always more of the odd one out to me but I still love what Jack did on NC and Yield—he really pushed them into different directions creatively. Dave A played on two albums and he's unbelievable on Vs. but pretty much a one trick pony it terms of his style of drumming (especially listening to the live stuff from that era—kinda hard to listen to him with all the over top drum rolls and splash and china symbols ringing out).

Leatherhead wrote:Do people forget about Binaural and Riot Act when they say MC was never great for PJ???

mikejasond wrote:

darthvedder81 wrote:I don't understand the "Matt never fit into the band" argument. I thought he fit in great from day one. He's certainly the most well-rounded drummer they ever had. Jack was always more of the odd one out to me but I still love what Jack did on NC and Yield—he really pushed them into different directions creatively. Dave A played on two albums and he's unbelievable on Vs. but pretty much a one trick pony it terms of his style of drumming (especially listening to the live stuff from that era—kinda hard to listen to him with all the over top drum rolls and splash and china symbols ringing out).

To me, groove is an essential element of their sound until Matt Cameron joins, and then it mostly goes away, and he strips the groove out of a lot of the early songs (Even Flow live for example is so far below the original track for example T_T)

That's why I don't think he was a great fit, but in terms of everything else, he was. They might not have the same live history they do now without him.

Strat wrote:they should call zak starkey then fire him on the flight up.

epilogue wrote:Fine, I'll do it.

bodysnatcher wrote:there's no way they quit. the fact that they didn't cancel shows when Matt had covid, versus cancelling shows when Jeff had covid, should speak volumes!

wease wrote:

Strat wrote:they should call zak starkey then fire him on the flight up.

Aren’t they in the middle of a tour? Did they just sack him out of the blue after a show?

Strat wrote:

wease wrote:

Strat wrote:they should call zak starkey then fire him on the flight up.

Aren’t they in the middle of a tour? Did they just sack him out of the blue after a show?

starkey? Lol. He was fired, rehired, then fired again from the who.

Hes wide open. His other bandmates for his other band are touring with their respective bands right now too

Kevin Davis wrote:

Strat wrote:Theyve gone through more drummers than most bands. They will carry on.

I agree that they'll carry on, but I do think losing Matt is going to be a lot different than losing any of their other drummers, both musically and personally. He was in the band for almost 10x as long as either Dave or Jack. The band was constantly in some form of upheaval or another through most of the '90's; the changing drummer thing was one of many destabilizing forces during that period, and arguably not even the most challenging one. Conversely, they seem very much to have become creatures of comfort over the last 20 or so years. Not to say they won't put in the work, but I imagine the dynamics/logistics of this change is going to be a lot different than any of their other drummer shakeups, and I won't be surprised if the resultant change looks a lot different than the kind of seamless "carrying on" that happened when Dave A, Jack, and Matt stepped in.

Honest question: Jack left the band, if memory serves, because of the toll that the band's intense touring schedule and public image took on his mental health. Is that right? Their schedule isn't like that now at all, and personal/family needs seem to drive their decisions in a way they didn't used to. Is it insane to hope?

tree_ wrote:

Leatherhead wrote:Do people forget about Binaural and Riot Act when they say MC was never great for PJ???

no; i'm not a fan of those albums