Red Mosquito

cutuphalfdead wrote:How do sluts in apartment complexes play into this conversation?

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:How do sluts in apartment complexes play into this conversation?

A valid question

malice wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:How do sluts in apartment complexes play into this conversation?

A valid question

if only thodoks still posted here. he'd know

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

malice wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:How do sluts in apartment complexes play into this conversation?

A valid question

if only thodoks still posted here. he'd know

Someone go peel him away from Jos. A. Banks' buy 1 get 3 free suit sale.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

malice wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:How do sluts in apartment complexes play into this conversation?

A valid question

if only thodoks still posted here. he'd know

Someone go peel him away from Jos. A. Banks' buy 1 get 3 free suit sale.

They're always having that sale.

cutuphalfdead wrote:How do sluts in apartment complexes play into this conversation?

doug rr wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

malice wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:How do sluts in apartment complexes play into this conversation?

A valid question

if only thodoks still posted here. he'd know

Someone go peel him away from Jos. A. Banks' buy 1 get 3 free suit sale.

They're always having that sale.

do they make good stuff? I've never been..do hot chicks work there?

doug rr wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

malice wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:How do sluts in apartment complexes play into this conversation?

A valid question

if only thodoks still posted here. he'd know

Someone go peel him away from Jos. A. Banks' buy 1 get 3 free suit sale.

They're always having that sale.

do they make good stuff? I've never been..do hot chicks work there?

malice wrote:you guys, OUT! all of you!

malice wrote:you guys, OUT! all of you!

Sarah. wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:How do sluts in apartment complexes play into this conversation?

Do they have agency?

Sarah. wrote:

malice wrote:you guys, OUT! all of you!

malice wrote:you guys, OUT! all of you!

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

malice wrote:you guys, OUT! all of you!

now you sound like my wife

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Sarah. wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:How do sluts in apartment complexes play into this conversation?

Do they have agency?

As far as the RM meme regarding agency goes, I always liked it more when "lacks agency" is used over "has agency". Don't ask me why, it just makes me happier that way. I wish stip's rank would change to conform to my own vision.

malice wrote:

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote:

malice wrote:I can't even tell what point fuzzy_dunlop is trying to make, honestly

I totally get why you think it sucks women should have to even think about ways to avoid getting raped, who doesn't? It pisses me off too, I have a daughter who will be going off to college in a few years. I don't want her living in fear that some asshole is going to rape her, that's total bullshit. I also think it sucks I have to worry about my kids getting kidnapped and that I can't let them walk to school.

Why is it Ok in one case to suggest we take precautions against predators and not the other? No one is offended if we teach our kids not to talk to strangers, no one would suggest that's a case of blaming the victim. No one would fault me for driving my kids to school or educating on them on ways to protect themselves.

In a perfect world neither child molestors or rapists would exist, but it's not a perfect world. Knowing its not a perfect world, why not take a pragmatic approach and do what we can to avoid bad situations?

This is not to suggest we can't burn the candle at both ends either. We don't have to throw up our arms and say boys will be boys there is nothing we can do about it. I'm all for doing whatever it takes so women don't have to worry about getting raped. Why does it have to be one approach or the other, why not both at the same time?

I don't disagree, and it's not my intention to try to argue otherwise.

I am, however, trying to make my own point about how our culture has essentially allowed this kind of behavior towards women forever, and as a result, makes what I think of as rather hallf-assed attempts of rectifying that view now by the type of thing being discussed in that article - I don't think it's a 'bad' idea. I think it's an idea that is too little, too late, and ultimately, still not a valid treatment of women within the society because it still places the burden of responsibility of women to mind their manners be more socially competent than men, so still gives something of a 'pass' to guys for believing it's ok (even though I understand not all men are like this, and not all men will instantly try to take advantage of a woman who is drunk etc- I'm more interested in the broader aspects here though).

It's also the reason I posted that other article - which is from a site that deals with issues of the modern male, and I ahve actually found very interesting - It's by and for men who are interested in breaking down the socially accepted stereotypes of 'being a man' and redefining what that really means in the 21st century.
A lot of the fall out of the woman's movement is related to how men must now try to deal with what their roles are in the society so I think it's a good site, and a good article, which happened to touch upon the idea that part of the problem is that we don't approach sex in a healthy fashion, so it's easier to overlook or sometimes encourage young men 'behaving badly'

I don't think it's the only way to handle our larger issues with abuse and rape, I think it's only a piece of the much bigger puzzle to understanding how men and women can get along with each other, respect each other and enjoy each other physically without shame or intimidation or pre-set rules for dominance and submission.
that's all.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

malice wrote:you guys, OUT! all of you!

I'm sorry I contributed to a minor thread derailment. I was actually enjoying the conversation that was going on here.

theplatypus wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Sarah. wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:How do sluts in apartment complexes play into this conversation?

Do they have agency?

As far as the RM meme regarding agency goes, I always liked it more when "lacks agency" is used over "has agency". Don't ask me why, it just makes me happier that way. I wish stip's rank would change to conform to my own vision.

It's because "has" is a boring word.

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote:

malice wrote:

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote:

malice wrote:I can't even tell what point fuzzy_dunlop is trying to make, honestly

I totally get why you think it sucks women should have to even think about ways to avoid getting raped, who doesn't? It pisses me off too, I have a daughter who will be going off to college in a few years. I don't want her living in fear that some asshole is going to rape her, that's total bullshit. I also think it sucks I have to worry about my kids getting kidnapped and that I can't let them walk to school.

Why is it Ok in one case to suggest we take precautions against predators and not the other? No one is offended if we teach our kids not to talk to strangers, no one would suggest that's a case of blaming the victim. No one would fault me for driving my kids to school or educating on them on ways to protect themselves.

In a perfect world neither child molestors or rapists would exist, but it's not a perfect world. Knowing its not a perfect world, why not take a pragmatic approach and do what we can to avoid bad situations?

This is not to suggest we can't burn the candle at both ends either. We don't have to throw up our arms and say boys will be boys there is nothing we can do about it. I'm all for doing whatever it takes so women don't have to worry about getting raped. Why does it have to be one approach or the other, why not both at the same time?

I don't disagree, and it's not my intention to try to argue otherwise.

I am, however, trying to make my own point about how our culture has essentially allowed this kind of behavior towards women forever, and as a result, makes what I think of as rather hallf-assed attempts of rectifying that view now by the type of thing being discussed in that article - I don't think it's a 'bad' idea. I think it's an idea that is too little, too late, and ultimately, still not a valid treatment of women within the society because it still places the burden of responsibility of women to mind their manners be more socially competent than men, so still gives something of a 'pass' to guys for believing it's ok (even though I understand not all men are like this, and not all men will instantly try to take advantage of a woman who is drunk etc- I'm more interested in the broader aspects here though).

It's also the reason I posted that other article - which is from a site that deals with issues of the modern male, and I ahve actually found very interesting - It's by and for men who are interested in breaking down the socially accepted stereotypes of 'being a man' and redefining what that really means in the 21st century.
A lot of the fall out of the woman's movement is related to how men must now try to deal with what their roles are in the society so I think it's a good site, and a good article, which happened to touch upon the idea that part of the problem is that we don't approach sex in a healthy fashion, so it's easier to overlook or sometimes encourage young men 'behaving badly'

I don't think it's the only way to handle our larger issues with abuse and rape, I think it's only a piece of the much bigger puzzle to understanding how men and women can get along with each other, respect each other and enjoy each other physically without shame or intimidation or pre-set rules for dominance and submission.
that's all.

I gotcha, admittedly I have a narrow view. I tend to think in terms of what is best for my own kids and what should I be teaching them, not so much the big picture. I’m glad we were able to talk this out, *high fives*