Red Mosquito

Fuck You Jobu wrote:Just because the technology difference is great, doesn't make the intention any different.

Dimejinky, how is Israel supposed to respond to a group that has it in writing to destroy Israel? If this was your country, would you accept random rockets being shot at your civilian neighbors by a nation that has declared war on you?

Please I would like to hear answers to this, not some politician response on the tragedy of the Palestinian situation - which nobody is denying.

It's hard to believe that just grabbing up another people's land and arbitrarily declaring it a sovereign country could have ended so poorly.

Especially in the Middle East.

McParadigm wrote:

Fuck You Jobu wrote:Just because the technology difference is great, doesn't make the intention any different.

Dimejinky, how is Israel supposed to respond to a group that has it in writing to destroy Israel? If this was your country, would you accept random rockets being shot at your civilian neighbors by a nation that has declared war on you?

Please I would like to hear answers to this, not some politician response on the tragedy of the Palestinian situation - which nobody is denying.

It's hard to believe that just grabbing up another people's land and arbitrarily declaring it a sovereign country could have ended so poorly.

Especially in the Middle East.

Right? Thag is constantly grunting at me about how his land was stolen by a bunch of "homo sapiens" who claimed it as their own. I'm always like: "Bro. It's easy. Hop in the time machine and undo the wrongs of the past that are so obvious today", but for some reason... he never does it.

You should probably shoot him with a rocket.

McParadigm wrote:

Fuck You Jobu wrote:Just because the technology difference is great, doesn't make the intention any different.

Dimejinky, how is Israel supposed to respond to a group that has it in writing to destroy Israel? If this was your country, would you accept random rockets being shot at your civilian neighbors by a nation that has declared war on you?

Please I would like to hear answers to this, not some politician response on the tragedy of the Palestinian situation - which nobody is denying.

It's hard to believe that just grabbing up another people's land and arbitrarily declaring it a sovereign country could have ended so poorly.

Especially in the Middle East.

Which country are you talking about? IT could be either...

America, natch.

I mean, we're just off-center of the Middle East, I guess. But close enough.

McParadigm wrote:You should probably shoot him with a rocket.

That sounds like a disproportional response, which is frowned on by the cave-person community.

broken iris wrote:which is frowned on by the cave-person community.

I think that's just their face

Fuck You Jobu wrote:

broken iris wrote:Dime, they fired rockets at a nuclear reactor inside Israel. A fully fueled and functioning nuclear reactor. Imagine what would have happened if they had been successful. And according to local reports, one rocket is being fired every 10 minutes from Gaza at Israeli civilians (on average). What, exactly, is a sane response from Israel in this case? I am not going to defend the horrible things that Israel does, there will be an international reckoning for them sooner rather than later, but at the same time I understand Israel has a right to defend themselves against all who attack them, even if the attackers are a much weaker group or if the attackers are operating under the belief they are retaliating for injustices they have suffered. The Palestinians don't get a pass because they have only inflicted small amounts of damage so far and the kill ratios are lopsided.

Just because the technology difference is great, doesn't make the intention any different.

Dimejinky, how is Israel supposed to respond to a group that has it in writing to destroy Israel? If this was your country, would you accept random rockets being shot at your civilian neighbors by a nation that has declared war on you?

Please I would like to hear answers to this, not some politician response on the tragedy of the Palestinian situation - which nobody is denying.

i grew up in Ireland during the troubles...and that's a longer running fight than the itinerant fake state Israel bullshit....if we can sort this out, they should e able to as well. Wrong on both sides and I'm well aware of that, but Israelis posting pics of themselves sitting having a BBQ watching their planes bomb the shit out of Gaza, is not deserving of a reasonable, respectful response, given they clearly have no sense of humanity left. They are an illegal invading force and nation. That being said, the blind eye being turned by, well, everyone, is appalling. And US media fuckin lying and showing horrific images portrayed as targeted Israelis, when in fact, its images from Gaza, tells you all you need to know.

i havent answered the question. In short, if some country invaded your land, occupied it and claimed it as their own, and proceeded to engage in a genocide(thats what this is by the way) would you just sit by? while they bomb your people, family and friends? no you wouldnt. neither would i.

and jews wonder why nobody likes them..

Fuck You Jobu wrote: Dimejinky, how is Israel supposed to respond to a group that has it in writing to destroy Israel? If this was your country, would you accept random rockets being shot at your civilian neighbors by a nation that has declared war on you?

The tragedy is that Israël is occupying land that is not theirs. Has never been theirs. And should never be theirs. And by occupying I mean both going and live there (colonists on the West Bank) and occupying as in shutting it down and controlling everything that goes on in it. Controlling electricity, water supply, food supply, medical supply, ... Gaza is a huge open air prison. That is the root of all evil that happens. Everything that follows, can be argued by 'yes, but he did that' and 'yes but he started that'. If you do not understand that this occupation leads to people organizing resistance, compare it to World War II (oh the irony): De Gaulle in France did not want to surrender to a foreign country occupying his land like Vichy even if that country might have not made life that hard for the French people. He called up for resistance.

I'm not saying Hamas are doing the right thing. Violence is never right. It's not right and they have learned by now that Israel will react to any stone thrown in their direction by killing 100s of Palestinians. But what do you want them do do? There's absolutely zero support from the international community. And whether they live 10 years in peace or not, the result is the same: Gaza remains a cage. And there's been enough studies and evidence how animal's/people's behavious responds to being locked in a cage. And the sad truth is: lots of those killed Palestinian kids (because there are lots of children being killed) will lead to its parents evolving from possible peaceful people to extremists who want revenge. It's very hard to be the opposite.

Death toll: 121-0. People saying they're only defending themselves do not have any moral compass. It's a simple genocide. And only because of the mighty Jewish lobby noone has the guts to do anything about it.

I've been to Israel & Palestine (West Bank) last year. I've seen Hebron. Spoken to people there. Don't let anyone fool you that Israeli's live everyday in fear of terror. Tel Aviv is a party city. Hebron is a war zone. Every day. And Israel knows damn well that with every new home they build in Hebron or anywhere else on the West Bank, they send the message out 'we do not want a solution for this situation, we want this land and the Palestinian people can go fuck themselves'. That's why Israel needs Hamas and will continue to talk about Hamas day and night. As long as they can pretend and lead people to believe Hamas is evil, they don't need to talk about peace and a possible 2-state solution, because let's be honest: they absolutely do not want that.

Anyway, I've met some awesome Israeli people as well, peaceful, and I'm sure there's many of them, and I'm absolutely not against an Israel state. So I really hope one day a solution comes. But I'm not sure it will come with people like Netanyahu in power who continue to build on the West Bank.

dimejinky99 wrote:
and jews wonder why nobody likes them..

Yes because all Jews fall in to the category of wanting to wipe out Palestine. Should I hate all gays because the really flamboyant ones are really annoying? Jesus dime.

good point.

the willfull and insistent myopia of the US towards this situation is mind numbing though.

stop funding them. Stop selling them weapons. Stop supporting the murder of innocents.

dimejinky99 wrote:good point.

Sorry, i forgot who i was making my point to, lol. I honestly wasn't singling you out in my example, was coincidence. I just don't think all Jews have the same beliefs in the situation at hand. But what do I know? I'm not Jewish. Where's Matty?

They dont. at all. and i was off base suggesting they do. sorry

israeli jews, almost entirely do though...sitting having fried chicken watching Gaza get bombed and tweeting it..that image is haunting me...

Actually from what I've heard there's a pretty strong divide among Israeli citizens regarding what to do about the conflict with Palestine.

id love to hear about it Pete. I've friends from Gaza and I'm getting a one sided argument and i'd be encouraged to hear there's hope.
enough of this

cutuphalfdead wrote:Actually from what I've heard there's a pretty strong divide among Israeli citizens regarding what to do about the conflict with Palestine.

It's not clear what they'll acomplish here other than an eventual ceasefire and both sides pushing each other into the same scenario in a couple months/ years. I imagine the leadership felt pressed to do something after the murder of the three teens, and they imagined this to be a reasonable something. If they were serious about degrading the rocket stockpile they'd go house to house and both sides would take more casualties. It's probable that Hamas wants that, but it seems Israel does not.

Has Hamas credibly signed on to a two state solution? Can anyone expect anything other than more of the same (regarding the violence from both sides)? I don't see much reason to invest emotionally in the middle east anymore than the Central African Republic. It appears that outside actor's have a limited ability to effect the outcome on the ground.

What was the name of the guy on the old board who would show up every 6 months or so and claim that Israel was about to set off WW3 and the end of the world?

Eddie Vedder?

Simple Torture wrote:What was the name of the guy on the old board who would show up every 6 months or so and claim that Israel was about to set off WW3 and the end of the world?

IEB?