Red Mosquito

We're screwed. The retirement age keeps going up and up, but the age you lose your marbles doesn't. No pensions. No freedom to emigrate to a country you can retire. No retirement.

Let's all laugh at Rangers wrote:We're screwed. The retirement age keeps going up and up, but the age you lose your marbles doesn't. No pensions. No freedom to emigrate to a country you can retire. No retirement.

There's no way there'll be state pensions in 2045.

Neither side seems to have a good answer for this.

http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/ ... balization

Daniel Hannan doing an admirable job in trying circumstances:

They're going to get a lot more trying when the new government tries to argue for freedom of movement and staying in the single market.

Boris isn't running!

Tune in next time on Game of Tories.

Probably for the best.

Birds in Hell wrote:Definitely for the best.

This whole thing has legitimately become more fascinating than any other TV at the moment.

What a shithead..

The economic devastation of the Brexit captured in one graph:

It's done more damage to irish shares than British..we've taken a serious beating.

Bi_3 wrote:The economic devastation of the Brexit captured in one graph:

More accurately, the economic damage of a Brexit announcement, followed by a few days of backtracking and hints that nobody actually wants to trigger Article 50.

The point being that nobody can assess the real effect until we hit the milestones that are due to come up: Article 50, actual departure from the EU, the UK's trade deal, whether or not companies start leaving for passporting, etc.

ABNorman wrote:The point being that nobody can assess the real effect until we hit the milestones that are due to come up: Article 50, actual departure from the EU, the UK's trade deal, whether or not companies start leaving for passporting, etc.

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Bi_3 wrote:

ABNorman wrote:The point being that nobody can assess the real effect until we hit the milestones that are due to come up: Article 50, actual departure from the EU, the UK's trade deal, whether or not companies start leaving for passporting, etc.

http://forums.theskyiscrape.com/viewtop ... 13#p768413

While I do feel Brexit was the poorer economic choice, I think the racial and hate issues are now very real. I can't remember where I saw it, but there was a quote like "52% of the country aren't bigots, but now the bigots think 52% of the country agree with them".

Tensions, as they say, are high.

ABNorman wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

ABNorman wrote:The point being that nobody can assess the real effect until we hit the milestones that are due to come up: Article 50, actual departure from the EU, the UK's trade deal, whether or not companies start leaving for passporting, etc.

http://forums.theskyiscrape.com/viewtop ... 13#p768413

While I do feel Brexit was the poorer economic choice, I think the racial and hate issues are now very real. I can't remember where I saw it, but there was a quote like "52% of the country aren't bigots, but now the bigots think 52% of the country agree with them".

Tensions, as they say, are high.

Been a huge spike in reported racial abuse also, both verbal and physical.

ABNorman wrote:"52% of the country aren't bigots, but now the bigots think 52% of the country agree with them".

That follows though doesn't it? The "Remain" campaign went out of its way to associate the "Leave" side with xenophobic racism, so it's somewhat logical that after hearing that association so often in the media and on the socials that the actual bigots would believe it.

Bi_3 wrote:

ABNorman wrote:"52% of the country aren't bigots, but now the bigots think 52% of the country agree with them".

That follows though doesn't it? The "Remain" campaign went out of its way to associate the "Leave" side with xenophobic racism, so it's somewhat logical that after hearing that association so often in the media and on the socials that the actual bigots would believe it.

I'm of the personal opinion that there's at LEAST 50% bigots in any given country, but yeah - both campaigns were utter failures.

Voter apathy in the UK is a HUGE thing but the number that didn't turn out for this referendum is both understandable in one angle and baffling in many others.

ABNorman wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

ABNorman wrote:"52% of the country aren't bigots, but now the bigots think 52% of the country agree with them".

That follows though doesn't it? The "Remain" campaign went out of its way to associate the "Leave" side with xenophobic racism, so it's somewhat logical that after hearing that association so often in the media and on the socials that the actual bigots would believe it.

I'm of the personal opinion that there's at LEAST 50% bigots in any given country, but yeah - both campaigns were utter failures.

That's certainly possible. I tend to think it's less bigotry and more aversion to change and fear of the new, but there is a big overlap between the two. Curry houses and Polish neighborhoods are just as much a part of British culture now as pubs and the Queen, and the haters are just going to have to accept that.