theplatypus wrote:Also, I'm pretty sure they've done it before. I can't think of specific examples but I'm sure I've heard them describe the process of writing or arranging older songs with "we were going for a (older artist) thing".
Sirens (Pink Floyd) and MYM (Motorhead) come to mind
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 10:45 pm
by tragabigzanda
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 10:51 pm
by epilogue
I'm sorry the band is so disappointing to you these days, trags. That sucks.
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 10:52 pm
by evenslow
Pretty sure the horse is dead.
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 10:52 pm
by tragabigzanda
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 10:55 pm
by stip
tragabigzanda wrote:
theplatypus wrote:Also, I'm pretty sure they've done it before. I can't think of specific examples but I'm sure I've heard them describe the process of writing or arranging older songs with "we were going for a (older artist) thing".
They've totally and for other artists sounds before! Neil young, Pink Floyd, etc. but their aim was never so unwavering and precise to the extent that their idiosyncrasies and unique personalities were completely stifled. But this attempt at a Ramones song sounds nothing to me like the band I fell in love with; it sounds like a bunch of studio musicians who never met before, with an aging eddie vender on the mic. And in this instance, eddies the best part about it
I certainly didn't hear ramones when I first heard this song. A faster 'punkish' style, but it hardly makes sense to reduce that entire genre to the ramones
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 10:55 pm
by PHATJ
I listened, and it was exactly as I expected. Boring/bland/uninteresting/uninspired.
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 10:56 pm
by stip
tragabigzanda wrote:Maybe I'm just holding on to my younger vision of the band as being doomy and introspective, and I'm not connecting as well at watching them play upbeat music that makes them happy. I suppose I should say "More power to you!" But it's just not grabbing me.
that's fine. Pearl Jam has had more than a few one off songs that didn't grab me either
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 10:57 pm
by tragabigzanda
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 10:57 pm
by stip
i was about to buy the single, only to find I'd have to buy the whole album, which also isn't out yet
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 10:58 pm
by Birds in Hell
tragabigzanda wrote:Maybe I'm just holding on to my younger vision of the band as being doomy and introspective, and I'm not connecting as well at watching them play upbeat music that makes them happy. I suppose I should say "More power to you!" But it's just not grabbing me.
It's a curious tipping point, especially after things like this:
(My god, eight years already.)
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 10:59 pm
by stip
tragabigzanda wrote:
stip wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
theplatypus wrote:Also, I'm pretty sure they've done it before. I can't think of specific examples but I'm sure I've heard them describe the process of writing or arranging older songs with "we were going for a (older artist) thing".
They've totally and for other artists sounds before! Neil young, Pink Floyd, etc. but their aim was never so unwavering and precise to the extent that their idiosyncrasies and unique personalities were completely stifled. But this attempt at a Ramones song sounds nothing to me like the band I fell in love with; it sounds like a bunch of studio musicians who never met before, with an aging eddie vender on the mic. And in this instance, eddies the best part about it
I certainly didn't hear ramones when I first heard this song. A faster 'punkish' style, but it hardly makes sense to reduce that entire genre to the ramones
You did see the quote from Mike, right?
yeah, but the song doesn't strike me a ramones knock off. I think Joey's point is spot on. This isn't different to me then what was no doubt a conscious decision to write songs that sound like Neil Young during No Code.
And it's not like this was a punk/ramonesque cover of a punk/ramoneseque song
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 10:59 pm
by tragabigzanda
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 11:00 pm
by stip
Birds in Hell wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:Maybe I'm just holding on to my younger vision of the band as being doomy and introspective, and I'm not connecting as well at watching them play upbeat music that makes them happy. I suppose I should say "More power to you!" But it's just not grabbing me.
It's a curious tipping point, especially after things like this:
(My god, eight years already.)
you know, block the video and the crowd noise and it's a very good version of the fixer. A little less shiny than the already excellent studio version
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 11:01 pm
by Birds in Hell
I like the song too!
But the whole Target commercial is a galling aesthetic contrast to the moody 90s band trag taked about.
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 11:02 pm
by stip
I mean, from an inspirational standpoint this is a million times less egregious than the Leaving Here cover. I love it, but it's just pearl jam trying to sound exactly like the who (see also, Love Reign O'er Me, also awesome)
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 11:02 pm
by stip
Birds in Hell wrote:I like the song too!
But the whole Target commercial is a galling aesthetic contrast to the moody 90s band trag taked about.
Look, I think we can all agree that, whatever merits this cover does or doesn't have, that this is a completely silly place to draw a line in the sand
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 11:03 pm
by epilogue
stip wrote:I mean, from an inspirational standpoint this is a million times less egregious than the Leaving Here cover. I love it, but it's just pearl jam trying to sound exactly like the who (see also, Love Reign O'er Me, also awesome)
Exactly.
Obviously, I'm not trying to tell people how to feel. But this one feels like an odd example to pull out and have this argument about. But whatever.
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 11:07 pm
by tragabigzanda
Re: Pearl Jam covers Brandi Carlile
Posted: Thu April 06, 2017 11:09 pm
by stip
tragabigzanda wrote:
stip wrote:And it's not like this was a punk/ramonesque cover of a punk/ramoneseque song
stip wrote:I mean, from an inspirational standpoint this is a million times less egregious than the Leaving Here cover. I love it, but it's just pearl jam trying to sound exactly like the who (see also, Love Reign O'er Me, also awesome)
The Leaving Here cover is, to me, a perfect example of them allowing the performances, production, and mixing enough leeway for their distinct musical personalities to leak their way into the track.
Love Reign O'er Me is completely their own only because of Ed's amazing delivery at the (Billboard?) awards show.
There's nothing about the Carlile cover that connects my ears to Stone Gossard or Mike McCready playing those guitars; it could literally be anybody on those guitars. And then Matt and Jeff just sound bored to me, even if their signature sound is somewhat recognizable.
And that's why you don't like it, but my point was that the starting point of 'lets make this sound like the ramones' or whatever mike said isn't your problem