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Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sat September 23, 2017 9:04 pm
by McParadigm
Agreed. It sounds like the original mix got a much better mastering. But Binaural and Riot Act got treated as well.

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sat September 23, 2017 9:09 pm
by McParadigm
It sure did wonders for Ed's tone.

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sat September 23, 2017 9:12 pm
by Birds in Hell
Imagine getting the masters back for approval of the originally-released version and thinking "yeah, this is fine".

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sat September 23, 2017 9:13 pm
by McParadigm
There are a few other things that make me wonder as well. Elements that are more prominent in the mix, where I can't tell if it's just the mastering not smashing them to bits or if they were adjusted.

There's definitely a moment in You Are where Ed was noticeably pitchy, and now is not. So either somebody ducked some frequencies, or autotune was light-touch applied.

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sat September 23, 2017 9:14 pm
by McParadigm
Birds in Hell wrote:Imagine getting the masters back for approval of the originally-released version and thinking "yeah, this is fine".
Did they listen to it tho

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sat September 23, 2017 9:17 pm
by Wendy Carlos's Twin
McParadigm wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Imagine getting the masters back for approval of the originally-released version and thinking "yeah, this is fine".
Did they listen to it tho
A friend of mine asked Eddie why their albums since S/T have been so compressed, and the question totally confused him. He claimed to not know what it even means. So my guess is that it doesn't make a difference whether he listens to it or not.

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sat September 23, 2017 9:24 pm
by McParadigm
Birds in Hell wrote:Imagine getting the masters back for approval of the originally-released version and thinking "yeah, this is fine".
I just wish the album had sounded like this 11 years ago.

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sat September 23, 2017 9:25 pm
by Norah
Do the songs still suck?

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sat September 23, 2017 9:31 pm
by McParadigm
cutuphalfdead wrote:Do the songs still suck?
It feels like the original mastering was calculatedly intended to deprive them of anything that elevated them.

I'm feeling a lot of appreciation for it right now, but some of that might be a blend of "oh I forgot this record" and the novelty of new details. It's a much better record either way. There's more theater to the performances than I remember.

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sat September 23, 2017 9:34 pm
by Birds in Hell
It's a really good record.

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sat September 23, 2017 9:36 pm
by McParadigm
Birds in Hell wrote:It's a really good record.
Could you side-by-side Sleight of Hand, with headphones?

I don't remember these things well enough to know what I don't remember well enough., vs what's actually changed.

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sat September 23, 2017 9:42 pm
by Birds in Hell
McParadigm wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:It's a really good record.
Could you side-by-side Sleight of Hand, with headphones?

I don't remember these things well enough to know what I don't remember well enough., vs what's actually changed.
I quickly compared the first 30 seconds of each and they sounded pretty much identical to me.

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sat September 23, 2017 9:45 pm
by McParadigm
Birds in Hell wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:It's a really good record.
Could you side-by-side Sleight of Hand, with headphones?

I don't remember these things well enough to know what I don't remember well enough., vs what's actually changed.
I quickly compared the first 30 seconds of each and they sounded pretty much identical to me.
Ok.

It might be my headphones. The guitar in the verse felt lower in the mix and eq'd brighter than I remembered, but I've never listened to it since I bought these.

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sat September 23, 2017 10:08 pm
by VinylGuy
So avocado is a great album now?

Talking about pj fans.

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sat September 23, 2017 10:58 pm
by McParadigm
VinylGuy wrote:So avocado is a great album now?

Talking about pj fans.
The songs are the songs. If you don't like them, nothing will change that. This remaster (?) does a lot to help sell them better, though.

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sat September 23, 2017 11:11 pm
by McParadigm
Looking back, btw, it appears the No Code and Yield remasters hit Spotify and iTunes (Mastered for iTunes stamped and all) before any vinyl shipped. I came across those in July, and the reviews for the turntable releases here start popping up over a month later.

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sat September 23, 2017 11:44 pm
by B
I'd like a CD of the remixed Avocado. :cry:

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sun September 24, 2017 1:04 am
by Monkey_Driven
B wrote:I'd like a CD of the remixed Avocado. :cry:
A CD? What is this, 2004?

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sun September 24, 2017 1:35 am
by B
2006.

Re: Binaural / Riot Act / Avocado Vinyl Re-Issues?

Posted: Sun September 24, 2017 3:39 am
by Monkey_Driven
B wrote:2006.
Classic B.