Red Mosquito

harmless wrote:

Strat wrote:umm, lol at boom hands?

Boom sounds fine, Matt needs stop tapping that damn hi-hat, especially if it's going to be so out of time.

Matt started the temp, boom totally messed it up coming in and was all out of time.

Strat wrote:

harmless wrote:

Strat wrote:umm, lol at boom hands?

Boom sounds fine, Matt needs stop tapping that damn hi-hat, especially if it's going to be so out of time.

Matt started the temp, boom totally messed it up coming in and was all out of time.

Matt shouldn't have tapped Boom in at all, it sounds like Boom didn't need it (tbf, pianists rarely do, especially on a ballad with such fluid timing as this). His hi-hat tapping-in is so loud and crude.

In any case, if Matt could tap quiet (like most drummers would), he could've adjusted his tempo fine without it sounding like an embarrassing trainwreck. Matt is even louder than Ed, and looks to be putting him off.

man alive you hate Matt

Strat wrote:man alive you hate Matt

and he loves Boom!

Boom's tempo was more appropriate for the song, there, too.

Birds in Hell wrote:and he loves Boom!

He's so cuddly looking.

dimejinky99 wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

Strat wrote:

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

Strat wrote:But I love Italy

Fine, dublin show but then im hopping Ryanair to hang out in Italy.

just be careful in dublin, i had a bit of an issue with some fans there, but the crowd in Belfast was awesome

Well, yea, look at Dime..... I can only imagine what 10,000 dimes in 1 room would be like...

Spoiler: show

I will fucking end you

Haha. And I just saw the double entendre/innyerendo in this.

I didn't mean that at all:)
I love me pal B. not like that tho.

Im a little offended by that. I like to think I have a bit of universal appeal!

Strat wrote:umm, lol at boom hands?

That's fucking horrible

Despite it being a "fan favorite", the whole chloe/crown combo is usually quite clunky.

This is just downright bad, though.

Strat wrote:man alive you hate Matt

Man alive you hate Boom?

McParadigm wrote:Boom's tempo was more appropriate for the song, there, too.

Yup. I got the feeling that Boom was trying to drag the tempo back; Matt is not sensitive to that, so he carries on clanging noisily and obliviously.

I don't hate Matt as a person (how could I?) but I see him making a lot more mistakes than Boom, for sure. Boom's weaknesses are more stylistic, rather than bonafide "mistakes".

Regardless of my feelings about Matt, though, it just seems completely odd to tap that loudly into a piano ballad, and then to tap through the piano once it comes in? Most drummers would tap the piano in four times - with sticks - and then shut up, until it was their time to come in properly. If they needed to, they could then gradually adjust the tempo.

Chloe wrote:

numbers wrote:Dirty Frank sucks, I would be disappointed if they played it at a show I was at.

Gorge 2006, it was worth it!

Yes it was. It was totally unexpected (at least, to me) and the band hadn't really started to dig out their super-obscure songs yet like they did in 2009. It was the capper to an amazing show.

I can't do the multiple show thing this year because I did it for Soundgarden back in February. At least I get one show in my hometown, just one bus ride away. Maybe I'll finally get one of my white whales (Hard to Imagine, Breakerfall, Who You Are, Oceans, Tremor Christ). Nah...probably not.

harmless wrote:Regardless of my feelings about Matt, though, it just seems completely odd to tap that loudly into a piano ballad, and then to tap through the piano once it comes in? Most drummers would tap the piano in four times - with sticks - and then shut up, until it was their time to come in properly. If they needed to, they could then gradually adjust the tempo.

Matt Cameron is a god. He's just a slightly uneven fit with Pearl Jam. Go see him with Soundgarden - he's totally in his element and is glorious to watch. You haven't seen anything until you've seen him play "Jesus Christ Pose".

Matt overplays and often plays when he shouldn't. There's parts on slower songs like release where he's mooching in there and ruining it.

I'm with Harmless. Matt wasn't needed at all there. What a mess.

I dont think one can say it was matts loud taping. its a shitty cell phone camera and you have no idea what the audio n stage was like. Everybody was out of time and even aments bass was a mess. Ed couldnt hear a thing and Boom did absolutely nothing to correct it. Nobody did. What an abortion.

Matt's amazing in Wellwater Conspiracy, Soundgarden, and Pearl Jam 1998-2003, something seems to have changed since then.

matt reeder wrote:

Chloe wrote:

numbers wrote:Dirty Frank sucks, I would be disappointed if they played it at a show I was at.

Gorge 2006, it was worth it!

Yes it was. It was totally unexpected (at least, to me) and the band hadn't really started to dig out their super-obscure songs yet like they did in 2009. It was the capper to an amazing show.

I can't do the multiple show thing this year because I did it for Soundgarden back in February. At least I get one show in my hometown, just one bus ride away. Maybe I'll finally get one of my white whales (Hard to Imagine, Breakerfall, Who You Are, Oceans, Tremor Christ). Nah...probably not.

harmless wrote:Regardless of my feelings about Matt, though, it just seems completely odd to tap that loudly into a piano ballad, and then to tap through the piano once it comes in? Most drummers would tap the piano in four times - with sticks - and then shut up, until it was their time to come in properly. If they needed to, they could then gradually adjust the tempo.

Matt Cameron is a god. He's just a slightly uneven fit with Pearl Jam. Go see him with Soundgarden - he's totally in his element and is glorious to watch. You haven't seen anything until you've seen him play "Jesus Christ Pose".

I'm not saying he doesn't play excellently for Soundgarden. I know he does. But he does so many frustrating things for Pearl Jam, his inconsistency leads me to suspect he really isn't a "god" at all, sorry. If you have to see a really great drummer with a specific band to be able to tell he's a really great drummer, then maybe he isn't as great as everyone says he is. Soundgarden, I like them, but they were never my favourite band, so I can't stop wishing that this drummer would actually show up for Pearl Jam consistently. Seeing him kick ass for Soundgarden won't make me feel better about the fact that he doesn't; it actually makes me feel worse because I know what he's capable of, if he put his mind to it.

Leatherhead wrote:Matt's amazing in Wellwater Conspiracy, Soundgarden, and Pearl Jam 1998-2003, something seems to have changed since then.

Yup. He played excellently for Binaural, Riot Act (and their corresponding tours) as well as quite a bit of S/T (and its tour). I don't know what's happened; I would put it down to age, but he's not ageing with Soundgarden. The most plausible thought, imo, has always been that he's just bored.

I would be bored too if I was playing BoB's attempts at radio hits, night after night.