Red Mosquito

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

spike wrote:

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:I hope Deebo is okay.

Is Jimmy G worse than Trent Dilfer?

I was thinking about Dilfer the other day and QBs who have won a Super Bowl (or two) but aren't HoFer's or even considered great. From recent memory, the only ones I can think of are:

Trent Dilfer
Joe Flacco

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

spike wrote:What about Doug Williams and Mark Rypien?

Hmm. Rypien yes. I know Williams isn't in the HoF, but people generally consider him to have been pretty great, yeah?

Mickey wrote:

spike wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Haha yeah every time I think about posting about what is going on with the Bucs, I think about you and the Packers. Could be a very strange season next year.

At least the Bucs have cap space, yeah?

The Packers are like 45 mil over the cap, need to resign a bunch of key guys (led by Davante Adams), and Qaaron’s already said he doesn’t want to participate in a rebuild. No idea how they figure that out.

If I understand correctly, the Bucs have about 20M in cap space if Brady returns but will need to resign or replace Godwin, Fournette, Jones, Gronk, Suh, Pierre-Paul, Jensen, and a handful of other guys. They're also probably losing at least one if not both of their coordinators. Do-able for a championship run if you've got your elite QB returning, and I think the Bucs have been smart with their drafting and their ability to pick up undervalued guys who can contribute. But if he goes and you have Blaine Gabbert running the ship you're right back to rebuild (though they'd suddenly have another 20M in cap space I guess). Will be an interesting off-season for sure.

epilogue wrote:

Mickey wrote:

spike wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Haha yeah every time I think about posting about what is going on with the Bucs, I think about you and the Packers. Could be a very strange season next year.

At least the Bucs have cap space, yeah?

The Packers are like 45 mil over the cap, need to resign a bunch of key guys (led by Davante Adams), and Qaaron’s already said he doesn’t want to participate in a rebuild. No idea how they figure that out.

If I understand correctly, the Bucs have about 20M in cap space if Brady returns but will need to resign or replace Godwin, Fournette, Jones, Gronk, Suh, Pierre-Paul, Jensen, and a handful of other guys. They're also probably losing at least one if not both of their coordinators. Do-able for a championship run if you've got your elite QB returning, and I think the Bucs have been smart with their drafting and their ability to pick up undervalued guys who can contribute. But if he goes and you have Blaine Gabbert running the ship you're right back to rebuild (though they'd suddenly have another 20M in cap space I guess). Will be an interesting off-season for sure.

These cap numbers don't reflect the rise in cap right? It's 20M right now with the current cap but they should have a ton more when the cap goes up this off-season, right?

Mickey wrote:

epilogue wrote:

Mickey wrote:

spike wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Haha yeah every time I think about posting about what is going on with the Bucs, I think about you and the Packers. Could be a very strange season next year.

At least the Bucs have cap space, yeah?

The Packers are like 45 mil over the cap, need to resign a bunch of key guys (led by Davante Adams), and Qaaron’s already said he doesn’t want to participate in a rebuild. No idea how they figure that out.

If I understand correctly, the Bucs have about 20M in cap space if Brady returns but will need to resign or replace Godwin, Fournette, Jones, Gronk, Suh, Pierre-Paul, Jensen, and a handful of other guys. They're also probably losing at least one if not both of their coordinators. Do-able for a championship run if you've got your elite QB returning, and I think the Bucs have been smart with their drafting and their ability to pick up undervalued guys who can contribute. But if he goes and you have Blaine Gabbert running the ship you're right back to rebuild (though they'd suddenly have another 20M in cap space I guess). Will be an interesting off-season for sure.

These cap numbers don't reflect the rise in cap right? It's 20M right now with the current cap but they should have a ton more when the cap goes up this off-season, right?

Hmm, maybe so. To be honest I don't spend a ton of time thinking about the NFL cap situation, I just did a quick Google tour yesterday.

epilogue wrote:

Mickey wrote:

spike wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Haha yeah every time I think about posting about what is going on with the Bucs, I think about you and the Packers. Could be a very strange season next year.

At least the Bucs have cap space, yeah?

The Packers are like 45 mil over the cap, need to resign a bunch of key guys (led by Davante Adams), and Qaaron’s already said he doesn’t want to participate in a rebuild. No idea how they figure that out.

If I understand correctly, the Bucs have about 20M in cap space if Brady returns but will need to resign or replace Godwin, Fournette, Jones, Gronk, Suh, Pierre-Paul, Jensen, and a handful of other guys. They're also probably losing at least one if not both of their coordinators. Do-able for a championship run if you've got your elite QB returning, and I think the Bucs have been smart with their drafting and their ability to pick up undervalued guys who can contribute. But if he goes and you have Blaine Gabbert running the ship you're right back to rebuild (though they'd suddenly have another 20M in cap space I guess). Will be an interesting off-season for sure.

These cap numbers don't reflect the rise in cap right? It's 20M right now with the current cap but they should have a ton more when the cap goes up this off-season, right?

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

epilogue wrote:

Mickey wrote:

spike wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Haha yeah every time I think about posting about what is going on with the Bucs, I think about you and the Packers. Could be a very strange season next year.

At least the Bucs have cap space, yeah?

The Packers are like 45 mil over the cap, need to resign a bunch of key guys (led by Davante Adams), and Qaaron’s already said he doesn’t want to participate in a rebuild. No idea how they figure that out.

If I understand correctly, the Bucs have about 20M in cap space if Brady returns but will need to resign or replace Godwin, Fournette, Jones, Gronk, Suh, Pierre-Paul, Jensen, and a handful of other guys. They're also probably losing at least one if not both of their coordinators. Do-able for a championship run if you've got your elite QB returning, and I think the Bucs have been smart with their drafting and their ability to pick up undervalued guys who can contribute. But if he goes and you have Blaine Gabbert running the ship you're right back to rebuild (though they'd suddenly have another 20M in cap space I guess). Will be an interesting off-season for sure.

These cap numbers don't reflect the rise in cap right? It's 20M right now with the current cap but they should have a ton more when the cap goes up this off-season, right?

Yeah I'm not sure. I think a good indicator of what Brady is doing will be what happens with Godwin. If he re-signs pretty quickly, (or if he signs somewhere else) I think that would indicated that he and Tom had discussions about Brady's future. Not sure why Godwin wouldn't want to stay, even on a shorter contract, if Brady would still be there. But I could also see Brady saying to him in private "hey my man, I'm seriously considering retiring, go get your big contract"

Mickey wrote:That would certainly help. I said it in the Bucs thread but I think you absolutely MUST bring back Godwin Jensen and JPP if Brady's returning. Probably Gronk too. I'd let Suh and the RBs walk unless they take a deal.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Mickey wrote:That would certainly help. I said it in the Bucs thread but I think you absolutely MUST bring back Godwin Jensen and JPP if Brady's returning. Probably Gronk too. I'd let Suh and the RBs walk unless they take a deal.

Yeah, and with all of what I just said, Godwin may be happy with one ring and tell Tom that he's going to get his money elsewhere, and that be enough for Tom to say he's done.

Mickey wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Mickey wrote:That would certainly help. I said it in the Bucs thread but I think you absolutely MUST bring back Godwin Jensen and JPP if Brady's returning. Probably Gronk too. I'd let Suh and the RBs walk unless they take a deal.

Yeah, and with all of what I just said, Godwin may be happy with one ring and tell Tom that he's going to get his money elsewhere, and that be enough for Tom to say he's done.

In the unlikely case that Godwin leaves and Tom stays, do the Bucs go after a big-name WR? The lack of a WR2 really killed them yesterday, and Tyler Johnson is not going to cut it.

Mickey wrote:She's made it pretty clear she wants him to retire, no?

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:Rodgers to the Steelers