Bill Cosby's Pudding Pop & Other Sexual Assault Stuff

[E.H. Ruddock]

Holy shit, that R. Kelly interview!

And he acted like that around a confident, powerful, woman that wasn't going to give in to his bullshit. Imagine how the women who were helpless and basically kidnapped by him felt...

That guy can rot in hell.

I haven't watched it yet (ill get on that) but i gotta assume if i was ever accused of a crime I didnt commit i'd probably be losing my shit.

yeah, but you can lose your shit in private. Getting out of control angry during an interview isn't a good look.

[VinylGuy]

Not aware any of them have faced any charges never mind sustained cases and allegations

Have you watched part two yet?

not yet

[dimejinky99]

The Director / producer of this doc really withers under questioning.
This is the only devils advocate questions he’s faced. Something to see. And I fucking hate the guy holding his feet to the fire but he can’t respond at all

[Anders]

I finished Leaving Neverland.

What we know without question is that Michael Jackson spent hundreds and hundreds of nights in bed with young boys.

There is no absolute evidence that Michael engaged in sexual activity with any of them.

There have been several witnesses to some stuff, including a maid that had seen Michael shower in the nude with boys.

Five boys have come forward at some point, saying that they were sexually abused by Michael.

The «documentary» is a one sided version of the story from two of the boys (now grown men). They give a lot of specific details about sexual encounters. There is no concrete evidence of this. There is however plenty of evidence that they did spend many nights alone with MJ. That he showered them with affection, and had wide contact with their families, but mostly centered around interest in the boys.

MJ paid out a large settlement in the 90s, won a case in the 2000s (but with one juror saying he fully believes MJ molested boys).

The two boys testified for MJ back then. Now saying they were basically brainwashed as kids, that lasted into adulthood.

We know MJ had a huge collection of porn (nothing wrong about that in general), including pictures of young boys. He was certainly a sexual man.

As for me I started out a huge fan (80s), a believer in his innocence (90s), a slight sceptic (00s), to now thinking that his behaviour was way too creepy for nothing to have happened (10s).

Lots of people at some point have their own kids in bed, or perhaps a nephew or niece. Of course nothing bad happens. But for MJ to spends thousands of nights with young boys in his bed one at a time, or locked away in special rooms, I have lost faith in him being innocent. No way those parents would let their electrician or accountant neighbour spend that sort of bedtime with their kid.

[dimejinky99]

*there were no naked pictures of young boys there was one Polaroid of a baby nephew

*if there were thousands of kids, where or why are there only 4 allegations in civil cases for money and none for criminal cases? Out of thousands of kids that visited?


What did you reckon about the second part? I think they shot themselves in the foot dragging it out and in particular letting the mothers speak.


*will say we’re gonne see floodgates open now with alleged victims. None so far though. Oddly.

[Strat]

I dont know. I im not sure im going to watch the doc but i find it hard to believe that a man like MJ, who is obsessed with little boys as much as he is, and spent all that time with them hidden away and naked, that he also didn't enjoy the sexual stimulation that it probably brought on.

Regardless, his music is fucking bomb and that wont change.

[dimejinky99]

Well if the most scrutinised man of the last 100 years can behave like this despite 20 years of fbi surveillance and wire tapping his phones and tracking his movements globally can get away with something, I’m definitely not confident in US intelligence agencies abilities.

Yawn

[Anders]

*there were no naked pictures of young boys there was one Polaroid of a baby nephew

*if there were thousands of kids, where or why are there only 4 allegations in civil cases for money and none for criminal cases? Out of thousands of kids that visited?


What did you reckon about the second part? I think they shot themselves in the foot dragging it out and in particular letting the mothers speak.


*will say we’re gonne see floodgates open now with alleged victims. None so far though. Oddly.

I don’t think thousand of boys were in sexual acts with him. I doubt any girls were. What the documentary shows well, is how MJ had special relationships with a few boys. Usually lasting a few years each. I think a top number would be 10-12, but I can only think of about 8. Out of those five have accused him, a couple have denied anything happening.

Five kids accusing someone is not little.

The documentary as a whole was not great. Too long, too one sided. But I do think that it showed a lot, especially in the early Safechuck-MJ relationship. Very sad.

The mothers were awful. Nearly as guilty as MJ.

[Rangi Guy]

Holy shit, that R. Kelly interview!

And he acted like that around a confident, powerful, woman that wasn't going to give in to his bullshit. Imagine how the women who were helpless and basically kidnapped by him felt...

That guy can rot in hell.

I haven't watched it yet (ill get on that) but i gotta assume if i was ever accused of a crime I didnt commit i'd probably be losing my shit.

yeah, but you can lose your shit in private. Getting out of control angry during an interview isn't a good look.

But you gotta use your common sense!

[Anders]

Yes. I fully believe that R Kelly is guilty, but him loosing his cool in an interview, is not that big a deal. Even an innocent person could do that. It was interesting though.

[Anders]

[Green Habit]

[Anders]

Never heard of this guy before: https://www.yourtango.com/2019321211/wh ... on-accuser

"When Jacobshagen was 14, he toured with Jackson throughout Europe, appearing in the media many times during his time with the singer. Only recently has he detailed the truly disturbing nature of their shared encounters.

Jackson allegedly nicknamed Jacobshagen his "Rubba Rubba" boy and shared a bed with him.

“He was always asking me to sleep in his bed. I would say, ‘No Michael, I can sleep in my own suite’, but he was saying ‘Please, please... for Michael Jackson,'"

[dimejinky99]

Wonder where Jordan Chandler is now? He’s said to people his father made him lie and the whole thing was made up. If he were to turn up now it would upend the debate

[Anders]

It would be interesting to hear from both Jordan Chandler, Gavin Arvizo and Jason Francia. I don't believe that Chandler has withdrawn his accusation.

https://www.distractify.com/p/jordan-ch ... -neverland

[dimejinky99]

Yeah I heard he’d changed his name and had surgery to change his face for fear of threats.
Says a lot to me that he emancipated himself from his father. And the father committed suicide a few weeks after Jackson’s death. There were stories he left a note saying he fabricated the whole thing but nobody’s ever produced the note. Do police keep that stuff?
I wonder.

Arvizo also said they made the whole thing up but that family were serial extortionists as we discovered during that trial

[dimejinky99]

Didn’t know that

[Green Habit]

Lame.

[LoathedVermin72]

Entangling the availability of art into stuff like this really needs to stop

[VinylGuy]

yeah, so fucking lame.

Pc culture.