Red Mosquito

theplatypus wrote:

Iholdthepain wrote:

Oh come on

theplatypus wrote:

Iholdthepain wrote:

Oh come on

digster wrote:I'm shocked, shocked I say, to find that we're talking about Antifa again after another large mass demonstration. That train's never late. The thing about it is that I do sometimes wish folks didn't feel like they had to swing at every pitch. Many, if not most, concerns about Antifa, from Bill Barr down to some of the instances in this thread, are disingenuous.

If someone's waving their arms and yelling about Antifa and far-left activists, maybe that's because when Antifa is the bad guy, the cop that killed George Floyd isn't, the people who agree with that kind of response aren't, and the many more who are okay with it aren't. It's not worth the time trying to be convincing because in these situations, a debate about Antifa is not the point.

It was the same thing after Charlottesville; dear God, we better find a way to get them to talk about Antifa because we don't want them talking about the real reason this happened. All I'm saying is that people don't have to swing at every pitch because a lot of those pitches are not being made in good faith.

PHATJ wrote:There is no point in having a conversation with any of you.

simple schoolboy wrote:

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elliseamos wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

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blueviper wrote:We really need to go through each police department review policies and get them all up to a standard that respects the citizens they serve and move away from these terrible overreaches of power.

They’ll keep claiming it’s justified because probably, legally, it is justified under their policies that could be decades old. Just because they are legal policies, don’t make them right.

I work for a city and police department near the St. Louis area. It’s a small department. Police officers and supervisory staff are my co-workers. I deal with them everyday. This department has very stringent hiring practices to weed out possible problem officers. There’s a probationary period that if the new officer isn’t meeting the standards of the department, they can be dismissed. Commanders are constantly updated and enforcing policies to better reflect a more transparent agency. Officers go through a lot of training, and with a lot of medical / doctor facilities in our city, CIT training is expanded. They pride themselves on de-escalating conflicts with minimal use of force tactics.

A lot of this happened pre-Ferguson, but it’s also been expanded Post-Ferguson as well as state/county justice guidelines were changed.

I think all departments need to take a long hard look at their deficiencies and push for changes. It’s the only way you can get the public to trust you again.

None of this matters so long as police unions continue to exist. Qualified immunity is another issue, but thats just about Civil litigation.

Bad actors such as the coward of Broward County will get rehired and receive backpay due to union rules.

yes, independent contractors working for private security companies would be better.

Public sector unions shouldn't exist, especially not police unions. If you prefer the status quo where cops can murder and keep their jobs, at least own it.

This is absolutely not binary and to attempt to say so is crazy.

Police unions as they exist are the number one roadblock to actually firing or disciplining bad officers. I can't imagine a union that existed only to bargain for compensation and let the employer set all workplace and punishment policies.

State level LEOBAR laws are another big issue, but I'm not hearing about rolling those back, probably due to public sector solidarity.q

verb_to_trust wrote:If you still support Trump at this point you are a racist. Full stop.

PHATJ wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

macphisto wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

PHATJ wrote:According to local NBC media, the fire starters in the Twin Cities are white Antifa members.

There are also a lot of posts on far right boards about going in and “getting their loot on,” setting fires, or starting a boogaloo.

I don’t think anybody knows exactly what the mix of forces in Minneapolis is, besides the actually angry locals, but I do know that there are a hellllllllll of a lot more white nationalists within 500 miles of Minneapolis than there are antifa members.

And whoever these people are, they ain’t flying in.

Do you have a source for this, or do you just know it? MN is a blue state whose electoral votes haven’t gone to a Republican presidential candidate since Nixon, with a Democrat governor, a radical leftist AG, 2/2 Dem US senators, and 5/8 Dem US House reps. With more Ds than Rs, wouldn’t it stand to reason that there are therefore more people on the extreme left than on the extreme right?

I know there is an absolute horde of racism within 500 miles of Minneapolis because I grew up in Sioux Falls, 200 miles from Minneapolis. And because I lived for a year in Pipestone, MN...180 miles from Minneapolis. And because I spent summers living in Sioux City, IA and working in Le Mars...250 miles from Minneapolis (and part of Steve fucking King’s constituency). Because I started my career in Ivanhoe...170 miles from Minneapolis. I know because my wife’s family stretches from Howard County up into Redfield, SD, 200 miles straight west of Minneapolis. And because I used to work concerts in Fargo, 235 miles from Minneapolis.

If people are coming into Minnesota from out of state, I know at least two of the closest states like family, and there sure as shit ain’t nothing but Fox country there.

None of this means you know a damn thing about Minutes neapolis. And you definitely don’t know more about the city than Macphisto or me. We live here. I’ve lived here for 40 years. You don’t know Jack shit.

elliseamos wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

elliseamos wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

elliseamos wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

blueviper wrote:We really need to go through each police department review policies and get them all up to a standard that respects the citizens they serve and move away from these terrible overreaches of power.

They’ll keep claiming it’s justified because probably, legally, it is justified under their policies that could be decades old. Just because they are legal policies, don’t make them right.

I work for a city and police department near the St. Louis area. It’s a small department. Police officers and supervisory staff are my co-workers. I deal with them everyday. This department has very stringent hiring practices to weed out possible problem officers. There’s a probationary period that if the new officer isn’t meeting the standards of the department, they can be dismissed. Commanders are constantly updated and enforcing policies to better reflect a more transparent agency. Officers go through a lot of training, and with a lot of medical / doctor facilities in our city, CIT training is expanded. They pride themselves on de-escalating conflicts with minimal use of force tactics.

A lot of this happened pre-Ferguson, but it’s also been expanded Post-Ferguson as well as state/county justice guidelines were changed.

I think all departments need to take a long hard look at their deficiencies and push for changes. It’s the only way you can get the public to trust you again.

None of this matters so long as police unions continue to exist. Qualified immunity is another issue, but thats just about Civil litigation.

Bad actors such as the coward of Broward County will get rehired and receive backpay due to union rules.

yes, independent contractors working for private security companies would be better.

Public sector unions shouldn't exist, especially not police unions. If you prefer the status quo where cops can murder and keep their jobs, at least own it.

This is absolutely not binary and to attempt to say so is crazy.

Police unions as they exist are the number one roadblock to actually firing or disciplining bad officers. I can't imagine a union that existed only to bargain for compensation and let the employer set all workplace and punishment policies.

State level LEOBAR laws are another big issue, but I'm not hearing about rolling those back, probably due to public sector solidarity.q

I dont know if "leobar" is a typo or an actual thing, regardless, you dismiss something else everytime you try to pin this on unions. If "bad cops" can't get fired, then how did the man that killed Greg? Lloyd just get fired and arrested for murder?

McParadigm wrote:I feel like not enough attention in analysis is being paid to the fact that America has been isolated, scared, watching the nation’s power base fuck them to death, and feeling utterly powerless about it for a quarter of a year