Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

[Ello Sailor]

I love how this song is being called a Silversun Pickups rip. A band that was criticised for ripping SP heavily. (It's the strumming part -- kinda Lazy Eye-esque I guess?)

[Ello Sailor]

Billy loves his who-bit-who, even going after the poor guy from Collective Soul for a tune that sounds nothing like any Pumpkins track. So this is amusing to me, let's see how it plays out.

[VinylGuy]

second listen....i was mostly very bored with these songs with no hooks,choruses or particulary good moments. Monuments had the intention of having songs that might lean into pop territory but these are just....there. Jimmy sounds awful but he mostly sounds bored.

i guess the first track is pretty good and 999 could also be interesting live. Well see,i always need to go back to SP albums with time.

[i got bugs]

I like this album a lot better than like their last 10 or so

[Rangi Guy]

Finally gave the new album a listem, and I was mostly plesantly surprised......mostly

[contamination]

I listened the new album twice. Not my cup of tea.

When the heavy guitars hit at the opening track I could not have said if it was a Pumpkins song or a new single by Disturbed. Besides how generic it sounds I hate the background singers and the productions really sucks, it just so slick. And Billy's voice is pretty bad nowadays. Also, that Pentecost track is just embarrassing.

Yet another Post Machina Money Grab album. All I want from this band anymore is a proper release of Machina II.

[zeb]

All I want from this band anymore is a proper release of Machina II.

[contamination]

I remember downloading this and burning it on 2 cd's when it was released online ~24 years ago:



Machina I also has a special place in my heart because that was the first album they released after I had discovered the band. It might be the Pumpkins album I've listened the most.

[VinylGuy]

i never really tried that much with both Machina and Machina 2. Of course i listened to them a lot, but they are not albums i need to listen. The production was a turn off when they were released and i guess that kinda helped for that.

There are wonderful songs on both though.

[contamination]

I have to say that after 24 years I appreciate even more how Machina II sounds. It's like the opposite of what the new album (or Dark Matter) sounds like. Machina I was probably over produced but it still doesn't sound as bad to my ears as the new album.

Like you said, both I & II have some wonderful songs. I just put on II and I really love songs like Let Me Give The World To You, Innocence, In My Body, Saturnine, Speed Kills and Vanity.

[Ello Sailor]

In My Body and Slow Dawn were always my favorites from M2. Then there's Dross and Here's to the Atom Bomb.

Real Love makes me super nostalgic as Rotten Apples was my first ever Pumpkins "album". I wore that thing out. There began the obsession.

[contamination]

I'm just listening to Speed Kills. Fuck me, this is how I want a rock album to sound like.

[contamination]

In My Body and Slow Dawn were always my favorites from M2. Then there's Dross and Here's to the Atom Bomb.

Real Love makes me super nostalgic as Rotten Apples was my first ever Pumpkins "album". I wore that thing out. There began the obsession.

Great songs!

[VinylGuy]

I have to say that after 24 years I appreciate even more how Machina II sounds. It's like the opposite of what the new album (or Dark Matter) sounds like. Machina I was probably over produced but it still doesn't sound as bad to my ears as the new album.

Like you said, both I & II have some wonderful songs. I just put on II and I really love songs like Let Me Give The World To You, Innocence, In My Body, Saturnine, Speed Kills and Vanity.

well, PJ and SP always were very different bands, specially in studio. Corgan was miles ahead in terms of songwriting, already trying with piano, keyboards or machines back in 1997. Think about Adore and Yield, two very different albums.

But if you compare the last SP album with DM, there is just no way the new SP sounds better in any form.

[contamination]

I have to say that after 24 years I appreciate even more how Machina II sounds. It's like the opposite of what the new album (or Dark Matter) sounds like. Machina I was probably over produced but it still doesn't sound as bad to my ears as the new album.

Like you said, both I & II have some wonderful songs. I just put on II and I really love songs like Let Me Give The World To You, Innocence, In My Body, Saturnine, Speed Kills and Vanity.

well, PJ and SP always were very different bands, specially in studio. Corgan was miles ahead in terms of songwriting, already trying with piano, keyboards or machines back in 1997. Think about Adore and Yield, two very different albums.

But if you compare the last SP album with DM, there is just no way the new SP sounds better in any form.

No I didn't compare those two, I was trying to say that I much prefer the raw sound of Machina II to both Dark Matter and the latest SP. Machina II really sounds like a band in a room. Granted, parts of it is pretty rough and I'm sure it would've sounded different had it been released by a record company, but I still prefer it to the sterile, over produced sound of the latest SP and DM (which definitely does not sound like a band in a room no matter what Watt or the band says).

Songwriting is a whole different topic, but to me both bands peaked in the early 2000's. PJ with Riot Act and SP with Machina I/II. After that it's been all downhill.

[Ello Sailor]

Ackchyually, Machina was recorded between November 1998 – October 1999. Early 00s being their peak sounds funny to me. I thought you were joking!

[VinylGuy]

I have to say that after 24 years I appreciate even more how Machina II sounds. It's like the opposite of what the new album (or Dark Matter) sounds like. Machina I was probably over produced but it still doesn't sound as bad to my ears as the new album.

Like you said, both I & II have some wonderful songs. I just put on II and I really love songs like Let Me Give The World To You, Innocence, In My Body, Saturnine, Speed Kills and Vanity.

well, PJ and SP always were very different bands, specially in studio. Corgan was miles ahead in terms of songwriting, already trying with piano, keyboards or machines back in 1997. Think about Adore and Yield, two very different albums.

But if you compare the last SP album with DM, there is just no way the new SP sounds better in any form.

No I didn't compare those two, I was trying to say that I much prefer the raw sound of Machina II to both Dark Matter and the latest SP. Machina II really sounds like a band in a room. Granted, parts of it is pretty rough and I'm sure it would've sounded different had it been released by a record company, but I still prefer it to the sterile, over produced sound of the latest SP and DM (which definitely does not sound like a band in a room no matter what Watt or the band says).

Songwriting is a whole different topic, but to me both bands peaked in the early 2000's. PJ with Riot Act and SP with Machina I/II. After that it's been all downhill.

Oh yeah machina 2 sounds more organic than machina 1. As for a band playing together…the pumpkins are not a good example in that regard. Who knows what’s happening in studio really. Corgan and Chamberlin mostly with James doing as little as he can maybe.

DM doesn’t sound like a band in a studio? I think it’s one of the most band together sound for PJ since Avocado maybe

[oasisfan35]

This discussion had me throw on Machina II today which I immediately followed with Adore because just about any time I hear the Pumpkins I want to listen to that album.

[VinylGuy]

yeah, Adore is such a masterpiece. Incredible work by Billy. Flood produced that one right? Billy needs to work with a producer ASAP.

[VinylGuy]

Yeah, im listening to Adore

such a great album...Pug is an underrated gem