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Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Sun April 30, 2023 3:59 pm
by Bi_3
I wanted to circle back to what she said for second, I saw some tweets from Leo Sapir that captured why this language is in fact dangerous. I'll consolidate them below:
.@ZoAndBehold's "blood on your hands" comment is not only scientifically false, it is also profoundly irresponsible. It puts the very teens Zephyr claims to be concerned about at higher risk for self-harm--a fact acknowledged by major LGBT advocacy and suicide-prevention orgs.

In 2017, @GLSEN,@TrevorProject. @HRC, @glaad, @TransLawCenter, @LGBTQTaskForce, @PFLAG, @sageusa, @amprog, @afspnational, @JohnsonFamFound, @lgbtmap, released a guidebook called "Talking About Suicide & LGBT Populations."

From the guidebook:

"DON'T attribute a suicide death to a single factor (such as bullying or discrimination) or say that a specific anti-LGBT law or policy will 'cause' suicide. Suicide deaths are almost always the result of multiple overlapping causes, including mental health issues that might not have been recognized or treated. Linking suicide directly to external factors like bullying, discrimination or anti-LGBT laws can normalize suicide by suggesting that it is a natural reaction to such experiences or laws. It can also increase suicide risk by leading at-risk individuals to identify with the experiences of those who have died by suicide."
If the idea is truly to protect trans kids, then activists and leaders in that community should not be driving the language towards catastrophizing reactions. Not only is it emotional bullying that will numb their opponents to their suffering, it may drive hopelessness and fixations on death and violence in the very groups they claim to protect.

and if you don't believe me:

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 6:37 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 10:51 pm
by tree_
Zephyr is a really cool name. Maybe a rhcp fan?

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 11:53 pm
by B
Mike AND Jeff are pro-trans? OMFG!


Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 1:11 am
by blueviper
B wrote:Mike AND Jeff are pro-trans? OMFG!

When do I burn my Pearl Jam CDs?

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 1:52 am
by simple schoolboy
tree_ wrote:Zephyr is a really cool name. Maybe a rhcp fan?
Sure, if you like discus murderers.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 12:22 pm
by B
blueviper wrote:When do I burn my Pearl Jam CDs?

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 5:06 pm
by blueviper
B wrote:
blueviper wrote:When do I burn my Pearl Jam CDs?
Thanks! That's probably safer than burning plastics/whatever else is in a CD.

Also, I'll probably wait until at least 3/5 of the band support trans rights.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 5:07 pm
by blueviper
On a serious note, I had to shake my head at about 8 seconds into that video where the guy is destroying the beer at the supermarket. What a bunch of babies.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 10:30 pm
by Ms Harmless
how are things going in here, are you all enjoying yourselves?

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 10:35 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 11:13 pm
by LetMeSleep
tragabigzanda wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:how are things going in here, are you all enjoying yourselves?
There will be no enjoyment for anyone, anywhere, until we reach absolute consensus on every single issue facing the planet.
And make sure that every single issue is addressed in every circumstance and situation whether relevant or not.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 11:20 pm
by Ms Harmless
gotta be careful we're not too "single issue" in a trans rights thread

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 11:25 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 11:25 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Wed May 03, 2023 12:25 am
by B
Ms Harmless wrote:how are things going in here, are you all enjoying yourselves?
I gave up after Bi3 convinced me that being bigotted against trans people is how we save trans people.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Wed May 03, 2023 3:35 am
by VinylGuy
B you need to give me your benaroya hall vinyl now that PJ are supporting the trans community.

Send it to my place, I’ll destroy it here.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Wed May 03, 2023 2:46 pm
by Bi_3
B wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:how are things going in here, are you all enjoying yourselves?
I gave up after Bi3 convinced me that being bigotted against trans people is how we save trans people.

Dude, no one in this thread is being bigoted and no one (to my knowledge) is endorsing any hatred against trans people. Trans people should have every right and protection that everyone else has. It's that stuff like this post from a trans parents support group doesn't sit right with some folks and it's completely rational to pause and ask when it comes to children are we really doing the right thing?:


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Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Wed May 03, 2023 3:16 pm
by McParadigm
Bi_3 wrote:Image
"Parents of Transgender Children" is a private Facebook group, but the image on its page has never matched the rainbow colors in the purported screenshot of the profile picture used in the hoax Facebook post where the claim was made.

Ashworth followed up on November 29, 2021, with a comment on his Twitter post, which displays a screenshot of him attempting to join the Parents of Transgender Children Facebook group, stating “ I didn't block out the name, so I have no idea. It leaked from a private group and the name was blocked out by whoever leaked it.”

A reverse image search of this Facebook post reveals the private Reddit community, r/CoronavirusCirclejerk, which is self-described as:

“Sub for coronavirus circlejerking, memes, and sharing and discussing stupid, ridiculous, and amusing posts and discussion from the various panic-filled and alarmists across the internet.”

A Google search of the same text transcribed from the Facebook post produced a meme with the same image as the post except for the title, now "Munchausen By Proxy."

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Wed May 03, 2023 3:25 pm
by Bi_3
Ugh, that’s def on me for not trusting a leadstories.com fact check



But again… no one is being bigoted.