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Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:23 pm
by Ms Harmless
five innocent Black boys (the Central Park Five) went to prison because vast swathes of white feminists accused them of raping a white woman; there's a LOT of innocent Black men in prison
white feminism has a lot to answer for and I count myself in that
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:24 pm
by tree_
Ms Harmless wrote:Mickey wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:Anders wrote:It shouldn’t be ok to slap someone just because they are a man (like a woman on a man in a bar), or because they are both black men. Flip it and everyone would be shocked, if say Will Smith went on stage to hit Amy Schumer.
that's more complicated than many would think; if Amy Schumer had a history of being racist towards Will, I wouldn't bat an eye; rich white women get away with too much crap (and in Amy's case, two self-admitted cases of sexual assault)
Incredible post
I know I throw around privilege theory a lot, but white women have a lot of privilege over Black men; it's not as simple as a sexism binary there
Do you think maybe one's individual success can alter a historical power dynamic? Say, is it possible in your mind for a black woman to have power over a white man?
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:24 pm
by Mickey
Be the change you want to see in the world. And it all starts with hitting Amy Schumer
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:26 pm
by Ms Harmless
I feel like a lot of people read my posts and imagine I'm working on "black and white" assumptions that I'm not
and yet, black and white thinking IS a devil on my shoulder (metaphorically) that I'm working on
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:26 pm
by Mickey
I for one am excited to Ms. H to tell us more about some of the most famous instances of racial profiling in American history which were later turned into Netflix miniseries.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:27 pm
by Ms Harmless
tree_ wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:Mickey wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:Anders wrote:It shouldn’t be ok to slap someone just because they are a man (like a woman on a man in a bar), or because they are both black men. Flip it and everyone would be shocked, if say Will Smith went on stage to hit Amy Schumer.
that's more complicated than many would think; if Amy Schumer had a history of being racist towards Will, I wouldn't bat an eye; rich white women get away with too much crap (and in Amy's case, two self-admitted cases of sexual assault)
Incredible post
I know I throw around privilege theory a lot, but white women have a lot of privilege over Black men; it's not as simple as a sexism binary there
Do you think maybe one's individual success can alter a historical power dynamic? Say, is it possible in your mind for a black woman to have power over a white man?
she might do on a financial / ecomomical level, not on a racial one
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:29 pm
by tree_
Ms Harmless wrote:tree_ wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:Mickey wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:Anders wrote:It shouldn’t be ok to slap someone just because they are a man (like a woman on a man in a bar), or because they are both black men. Flip it and everyone would be shocked, if say Will Smith went on stage to hit Amy Schumer.
that's more complicated than many would think; if Amy Schumer had a history of being racist towards Will, I wouldn't bat an eye; rich white women get away with too much crap (and in Amy's case, two self-admitted cases of sexual assault)
Incredible post
I know I throw around privilege theory a lot, but white women have a lot of privilege over Black men; it's not as simple as a sexism binary there
Do you think maybe one's individual success can alter a historical power dynamic? Say, is it possible in your mind for a black woman to have power over a white man?
she might do on a financial / ecomomical level, not on a racial one
What are you implying by racial benefit? I mean, if she's already got more power, money, and social status, what is left here to include in the racial differential?
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:31 pm
by Ms Harmless
Mickey wrote:I for one am excited to Ms. H to tell us more about some of the most famous instances of racial profiling in American history which were later turned into Netflix miniseries.
congratulations on having seen it; I've only read discourse around it, as well as bell hooks' words on it
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:31 pm
by Ms Harmless
tree_ wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:tree_ wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:Mickey wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:Anders wrote:It shouldn’t be ok to slap someone just because they are a man (like a woman on a man in a bar), or because they are both black men. Flip it and everyone would be shocked, if say Will Smith went on stage to hit Amy Schumer.
that's more complicated than many would think; if Amy Schumer had a history of being racist towards Will, I wouldn't bat an eye; rich white women get away with too much crap (and in Amy's case, two self-admitted cases of sexual assault)
Incredible post
I know I throw around privilege theory a lot, but white women have a lot of privilege over Black men; it's not as simple as a sexism binary there
Do you think maybe one's individual success can alter a historical power dynamic? Say, is it possible in your mind for a black woman to have power over a white man?
she might do on a financial / ecomomical level, not on a racial one
What are you implying by racial benefit? I mean, if she's already got more power, money, and social status, what is left here to include in the racial differential?
racism; the poor white guy doesn't face it, any may perpetuate it
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:32 pm
by The Argonaut
I think we can all agree that white women are pretty much the worst
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:32 pm
by Mickey
Ms Harmless wrote:five innocent Black boys (the Central Park Five) went to prison because vast swathes of white feminists accused them of raping a white woman; there's a LOT of innocent Black men in prison
white feminism has a lot to answer for and I count myself in that
Btw we talked this over as a nation and decided that this was primarily Donald Trump's fault, so it's not okay to hit Amy Schumer because of the 1989 case of the Central Park Five, even if she (b. 1981) failed to speak up at the time.
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:32 pm
by Ms Harmless
Ms Harmless wrote:tree_ wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:tree_ wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:Mickey wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:Anders wrote:It shouldn’t be ok to slap someone just because they are a man (like a woman on a man in a bar), or because they are both black men. Flip it and everyone would be shocked, if say Will Smith went on stage to hit Amy Schumer.
that's more complicated than many would think; if Amy Schumer had a history of being racist towards Will, I wouldn't bat an eye; rich white women get away with too much crap (and in Amy's case, two self-admitted cases of sexual assault)
Incredible post
I know I throw around privilege theory a lot, but white women have a lot of privilege over Black men; it's not as simple as a sexism binary there
Do you think maybe one's individual success can alter a historical power dynamic? Say, is it possible in your mind for a black woman to have power over a white man?
she might do on a financial / ecomomical level, not on a racial one
What are you implying by racial benefit? I mean, if she's already got more power, money, and social status, what is left here to include in the racial differential?
racism; the poor white guy doesn't face it, and may perpetuate it; the woman is no less a victim for having money
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:34 pm
by Ms Harmless
Mickey wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:five innocent Black boys (the Central Park Five) went to prison because vast swathes of white feminists accused them of raping a white woman; there's a LOT of innocent Black men in prison
white feminism has a lot to answer for and I count myself in that
Btw we talked this over as a nation and decided that this was primarily Donald Trump's fault, so it's not okay to hit Amy Schumer because of the 1989 case of the Central Park Five, even if she (b. 1981) failed to speak up at the time.
thanks for letting us know
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:34 pm
by tree_
Ms Harmless wrote:tree_ wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:tree_ wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:Mickey wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:Anders wrote:It shouldn’t be ok to slap someone just because they are a man (like a woman on a man in a bar), or because they are both black men. Flip it and everyone would be shocked, if say Will Smith went on stage to hit Amy Schumer.
that's more complicated than many would think; if Amy Schumer had a history of being racist towards Will, I wouldn't bat an eye; rich white women get away with too much crap (and in Amy's case, two self-admitted cases of sexual assault)
Incredible post
I know I throw around privilege theory a lot, but white women have a lot of privilege over Black men; it's not as simple as a sexism binary there
Do you think maybe one's individual success can alter a historical power dynamic? Say, is it possible in your mind for a black woman to have power over a white man?
she might do on a financial / ecomomical level, not on a racial one
What are you implying by racial benefit? I mean, if she's already got more power, money, and social status, what is left here to include in the racial differential?
racism; the poor white guy doesn't face it, any may perpetuate it
But what is even the potential result of his potential racism if she's already got everything and he's got nothing? Isn't this particular person, with social status, power, wealth, in the actual position to either perpetuate racism or not?
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:35 pm
by Ms Harmless
tree_ wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:tree_ wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:tree_ wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:Mickey wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:Anders wrote:It shouldn’t be ok to slap someone just because they are a man (like a woman on a man in a bar), or because they are both black men. Flip it and everyone would be shocked, if say Will Smith went on stage to hit Amy Schumer.
that's more complicated than many would think; if Amy Schumer had a history of being racist towards Will, I wouldn't bat an eye; rich white women get away with too much crap (and in Amy's case, two self-admitted cases of sexual assault)
Incredible post
I know I throw around privilege theory a lot, but white women have a lot of privilege over Black men; it's not as simple as a sexism binary there
Do you think maybe one's individual success can alter a historical power dynamic? Say, is it possible in your mind for a black woman to have power over a white man?
she might do on a financial / ecomomical level, not on a racial one
What are you implying by racial benefit? I mean, if she's already got more power, money, and social status, what is left here to include in the racial differential?
racism; the poor white guy doesn't face it, any may perpetuate it
But what is even the potential result of his potential racism if she's already got everything and he's got nothing? Isn't this particular person, with social status, power, wealth, in the actual position to either perpetuate racism or not?
no
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:35 pm
by Ms Harmless
I'm not telling you what racism is Tree
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:36 pm
by Mickey
Can you tell us under what imaginary situations it's okay to hit Amy Schumer?
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:38 pm
by Ms Harmless
Mickey wrote:Can you tell us under what imaginary situations it's okay to hit Amy Schumer?
I didn't bring up any imaginary situations, you did
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:38 pm
by tree_
Ms Harmless wrote:I'm not telling you what racism is Tree
racism is discrimination based on skin color... if a white guy has no power over a black woman, how can he possibly discriminate?
Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?
Posted: Thu March 31, 2022 4:39 pm
by Ms Harmless
tree_ wrote:Ms Harmless wrote:I'm not telling you what racism is Tree
racism is discrimination based on skin color... if a white guy has no power over a black woman, how can he possibly discriminate?
I'm not telling you what racism is Tree