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Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:25 am
by verb_to_trust
drummers aren't real people
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:26 am
by harmless
WtOB? wrote:harmless wrote:WtOB? wrote:harmless wrote:Dave A. never fucked up what is meant to be an official single video, though. From a drummer's perspective it's kind of embarrassing that that will be people's first exposure to the song. I love the song and the rest of the video but wow, the intro...
which official single video had real live audio when dave a was in the band? none of em. matt messing up is
not this band's main concern right now. it's one little out of time fill, it really doesn't matter. the band could have done another take but it's not important enough. it re-enforces the live feel.
Even Flow and Alive were live, right? Both drummed perfectly.
The rest, well that's, like, your opinion man. It's two out of time fills. It doesn't keep me up at night, but I read people commenting on lack of guitar, wrong chords, etc. etc. all the time, but when I mention a drummer's mistakes it's relegated to a non-issue. That's kind of how the drums are treated by guitar fans, though, and that's fine with me.
even flow was a re-recording done in-studio, and alive had matt chamberlain not dave a.
it's just that this mistake isn't as bad as playing the wrong chords or some of those awful mistakes mike makes. it's just a little out-of-time fill.
Regardless, they were both played without mistakes. To us this is just another live video, and the fans know PJ occasionally get things wrong live. To everyone else it's the official single video. They can't seriously expect to take on new fans if they make flubs like this. It looks amateurish to everyone outside the fanbase.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:26 am
by jforte20
They actually had to have Matt go back and mess it up after the first take.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:27 am
by harmless
Also, why isn't this mistake as bad as guitarists' mistakes? I hardly notice guitarists' mistakes.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:28 am
by verb_to_trust
harmless wrote:Also, why isn't this mistake as bad as guitarists' mistakes? I hardly notice guitarists' mistakes.
Because people actually listen to the guitars.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:28 am
by harmless
It's just a weird bias. If a drummer noticeably goes wrong it's to "enhance the live feel", if a guitarist does it, it's a mistake.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:29 am
by harmless
verb_to_trust wrote:harmless wrote:Also, why isn't this mistake as bad as guitarists' mistakes? I hardly notice guitarists' mistakes.
Because people actually listen to the guitars.
Is that a joke?
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:29 am
by verb_to_trust
harmless wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:harmless wrote:Also, why isn't this mistake as bad as guitarists' mistakes? I hardly notice guitarists' mistakes.
Because people actually listen to the guitars.
Is that a joke?
Not really. Most people are pretty passive about listening to the drums.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:30 am
by WtOB?
harmless wrote:Also, why isn't this mistake as bad as guitarists' mistakes? I hardly notice guitarists' mistakes.
because it's the equivalent of a guitarist playing something a tad out of time for the space of one or two bars. it's not the same as a wrong note or something. i think because you don't like matt you're pushing this one a bit too far.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:30 am
by harmless
verb_to_trust wrote:harmless wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:harmless wrote:Also, why isn't this mistake as bad as guitarists' mistakes? I hardly notice guitarists' mistakes.
Because people actually listen to the guitars.
Is that a joke?
Not really. Most people are pretty passive about listening to the drums.
Except for ones that aren't, right?
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:31 am
by WtOB?
verb_to_trust wrote:harmless wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:harmless wrote:Also, why isn't this mistake as bad as guitarists' mistakes? I hardly notice guitarists' mistakes.
Because people actually listen to the guitars.
Is that a joke?
Not really. Most people are pretty passive about listening to the drums.
kd doesn't listen to them?
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:32 am
by verb_to_trust
harmless wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:harmless wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:harmless wrote:Also, why isn't this mistake as bad as guitarists' mistakes? I hardly notice guitarists' mistakes.
Because people actually listen to the guitars.
Is that a joke?
Not really.
Most people are pretty passive about listening to the drums.
Except for ones that aren't, right?
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:32 am
by harmless
WtOB? wrote:harmless wrote:Also, why isn't this mistake as bad as guitarists' mistakes? I hardly notice guitarists' mistakes.
because it's the equivalent of a guitarist playing something a tad out of time for the space of one or two bars. it's not the same as a wrong note or something. i think because you don't like matt you're pushing this one a bit too far.
This is nothing to do with not liking Matt. I think Matt's drumming so far on this album is great. I also think it's great on Binaural / Riot Act, and most of Backspacer. I'm not a fan of his drumming on S/T and he doesn't get me off live.
But you're right though, this really isn't as important as guitarists' observations, it probably didn't even happen.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:32 am
by verb_to_trust
WtOB? wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:harmless wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:harmless wrote:Also, why isn't this mistake as bad as guitarists' mistakes? I hardly notice guitarists' mistakes.
Because people actually listen to the guitars.
Is that a joke?
Not really. Most people are pretty passive about listening to the drums.
kd doesn't listen to them?
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:33 am
by WtOB?
harmless wrote:But you're right though, this really isn't as important as guitarists' observations, it probably didn't even happen.
i didn't say anything like that, dime.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:34 am
by verb_to_trust
Lets just be real. The guitars are more important.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:34 am
by harmless
verb_to_trust wrote:harmless wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:harmless wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:harmless wrote:Also, why isn't this mistake as bad as guitarists' mistakes? I hardly notice guitarists' mistakes.
Because people actually listen to the guitars.
Is that a joke?
Not really.
Most people are pretty passive about listening to the drums.
Except for ones that aren't, right?
I don't see why this erases the fact that it happened, and people who will notice it will be totally turned off by the video just as I was.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:34 am
by WtOB?
i'm a drummer too, harmless. we're on the same team.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:36 am
by verb_to_trust
harmless wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:harmless wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:harmless wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:harmless wrote:Also, why isn't this mistake as bad as guitarists' mistakes? I hardly notice guitarists' mistakes.
Because people actually listen to the guitars.
Is that a joke?
Not really.
Most people are pretty passive about listening to the drums.
Except for ones that aren't, right?
I don't see why this erases the fact that it happened, and people who will notice it will be totally turned off by the video just as I was.
Yeah, but the vast majority of the people who have watched that video didn't notice and don't care.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Wed September 25, 2013 12:37 am
by ABNorman
For me, the most important things are vocals: melody, lyrics and delivery. Everything else is just a space to put the vocals in.