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Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Thu June 27, 2019 2:54 pm
by 4/5
Sounds like the Court says that the Commerce Department has the right to add a citizenship question to the census, but that their reasoning for doing so is shady, so for the time being there's no citizenship question. But the Commerce Department will get another chance to justify that choice, so maybe there will be a citizenship question after all.
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Thu June 27, 2019 3:26 pm
by Bi_3
4/5 wrote:
Sounds like the Court says that the Commerce Department has the right to add a citizenship question to the census, but that their reasoning for doing so is shady, so for the time being there's no citizenship question. But the Commerce Department will get another chance to justify that choice,
so maybe there will be a citizenship question after all.
Let's hope so.
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Thu June 27, 2019 3:31 pm
by epilogue
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Thu June 27, 2019 4:13 pm
by Green Habit
4/5 wrote:Sounds like the Court says that the Commerce Department has the right to add a citizenship question to the census, but that their reasoning for doing so is shady, so for the time being there's no citizenship question. But the Commerce Department will get another chance to justify that choice, so maybe there will be a citizenship question after all.
Barring a total defeat for the government, this is probably the best result foes of the question could have hoped for. Maybe they can run out the clock for 2020.
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Thu June 27, 2019 4:14 pm
by Green Habit
Bi_3 wrote:4/5 wrote:so maybe there will be a citizenship question after all.
Let's hope so.
What's your reasoning as to why?
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Thu June 27, 2019 4:33 pm
by Chris_H_2
i'm so depressed about the gerrymandering decision.
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Thu June 27, 2019 4:41 pm
by Green Habit
Chris_H_2 wrote:i'm so depressed about the gerrymandering decision.
Me too. I knew this was going to happen the instant Kennedy retired, but it still hurts to see it actually happen. And like I said, I'm also worried that the Court is going to reverse itself after only a few years on redistricting committees, and then we're going to really be fucked.
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Thu June 27, 2019 4:44 pm
by Green Habit
Someone in the SCOTUSblog chat made an important, though even more depressing point:
Isn't the argument in every racial gerrymander case now going to be: "This isn't a racial gerrymander, it's a permissible political gerrymander."?
SCOTUSblog tried to softly respond by saying the reverse could also be argued, but good luck on that with this Court.
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Thu June 27, 2019 4:44 pm
by 4/5
Green Habit wrote:Chris_H_2 wrote:i'm so depressed about the gerrymandering decision.
Me too. I knew this was going to happen the instant Kennedy retired, but it still hurts to see it actually happen. And like I said, I'm also worried that the Court is going to reverse itself after only a few years on redistricting committees, and then we're going to really be fucked.
I really thought the formula thing was right up Kennedy's alley last year. I was very disappointed they punted on it and then he retired.
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Thu June 27, 2019 4:51 pm
by Green Habit
4/5 wrote:Green Habit wrote:Chris_H_2 wrote:i'm so depressed about the gerrymandering decision.
Me too. I knew this was going to happen the instant Kennedy retired, but it still hurts to see it actually happen. And like I said, I'm also worried that the Court is going to reverse itself after only a few years on redistricting committees, and then we're going to really be fucked.
I really thought the formula thing was right up Kennedy's alley last year. I was very disappointed they punted on it and then he retired.
Kennedy really should have known that he was going to get replaced by someone who was going to disagree with him on this. Maybe he did and thought that he was just going to get overruled next year, so he didn't want to rock the boat.
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Thu June 27, 2019 5:13 pm
by Green Habit
Green Habit wrote:Yikes, this opinion won't get much attention today but it's a real bad one: warrantless unconscious blood draws for BAC tests are allowable under the Fourth Amendment under the exigent circumstances doctrine.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/1 ... 0_2co3.pdf
Going back to this case, I forgot that they addressed this case just six years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_v._McNeely
The Court suffered a double whammy of turnover, with both Kennedy and Scalia joining the Mitchell dissenters in that case. The plurality seems to have sidestepped
McNeely, and the reason it wasn't a majority was because Thomas concurred in the judgment by saying
McNeely should be overruled.
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Thu June 27, 2019 5:27 pm
by Biff Pocoroba
To echo others I'm disappointed in the Maryland verdict too; it's only going to get worse after the upcoming census.
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Thu June 27, 2019 5:35 pm
by 4/5
North Carolina state Representative David R. Lewis, when asked about the partisan gerrymandered districts approved by the state legislature, “I think electing Republicans is better than electing Democrats…so I drew this map to help foster what I think is better for the country. I propose that we draw the maps to give a partisan advantage to 10 Republicans and three Democrats, because I do not believe it’s possible to draw a map with 11 Republicans and two Democrats.”
Wonder if that's B's representative.
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Thu June 27, 2019 5:45 pm
by Green Habit
4/5 wrote:North Carolina state Representative David R. Lewis, when asked about the partisan gerrymandered districts approved by the state legislature, “I think electing Republicans is better than electing Democrats…so I drew this map to help foster what I think is better for the country. I propose that we draw the maps to give a partisan advantage to 10 Republicans and three Democrats, because I do not believe it’s possible to draw a map with 11 Republicans and two Democrats.”
Wonder if that's B's representative.
Reminds me of the old Woody Hayes "because I couldn't go for three" remark. At least he's being honest.
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Thu June 27, 2019 6:07 pm
by B
4/5 wrote:North Carolina state Representative David R. Lewis, when asked about the partisan gerrymandered districts approved by the state legislature, “I think electing Republicans is better than electing Democrats…so I drew this map to help foster what I think is better for the country. I propose that we draw the maps to give a partisan advantage to 10 Republicans and three Democrats, because I do not believe it’s possible to draw a map with 11 Republicans and two Democrats.”
Wonder if that's B's representative.
It is not.
I'm the little blue spec to the west of Raleigh.

Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Thu June 27, 2019 6:08 pm
by B
Chris_H_2 wrote:i'm so depressed about the gerrymandering decision.
So are all the Democrats who live on I-85.

Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Fri June 28, 2019 2:17 pm
by Green Habit
The Court just granted cert on a hot button issue:
https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/c ... f-revenue/
trag, you heard anything about this? Here's Espinoza's argument from the Missoulian:
https://missoulian.com/opinion/columnis ... fdbba.html
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Fri June 28, 2019 2:30 pm
by Green Habit
A linguistics professor takes Breyer to task for his terrible opinion in the FUCT case.
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Wed July 17, 2019 4:04 pm
by Green Habit
I'm sure this is well known now, but:
Re: The Supreme Court
Posted: Wed July 17, 2019 7:11 pm
by Bi_3
Not entirely related, but has there been a criminal case where someone has claimed a video is a "deep fake" (AI generated)?