Red Mosquito

96583UP wrote:RFK Jr is a lunatic but made a comment that since most of the aid to ukraine goes to US defense contractors this is really just money feeding the US military industrial complex

$100 Billion could have built a house for every homeless person in America instead

Is this another endless invoicing activity for them like Iraq or Afghanistan ?

I don’t want Putin to invade Europe but I am also not on the side of perpetual Raytheon handouts

96583UP wrote:$100 Billion could have built a house for every homeless person in America instead

McParadigm wrote:

96583UP wrote:$100 Billion could have built a house for every homeless person in America instead

If you honestly think that we would have invested $100 billion on housing, but couldn't because we supported Ukraine, then by all means humiliate your parents and say it.

96583UP wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

96583UP wrote:$100 Billion could have built a house for every homeless person in America instead

If you honestly think that we would have invested $100 billion on housing, but couldn't because we supported Ukraine, then by all means humiliate your parents and say it.

you gotta bring my parents into this huh?

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Bi_3 wrote:

96583UP wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

96583UP wrote:$100 Billion could have built a house for every homeless person in America instead

If you honestly think that we would have invested $100 billion on housing, but couldn't because we supported Ukraine, then by all means humiliate your parents and say it.

you gotta bring my parents into this huh?

Look numbers, your parents are here with me now and we all need to talk about something.

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96583UP wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

96583UP wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

96583UP wrote:$100 Billion could have built a house for every homeless person in America instead

If you honestly think that we would have invested $100 billion on housing, but couldn't because we supported Ukraine, then by all means humiliate your parents and say it.

you gotta bring my parents into this huh?

Look numbers, your parents are here with me now and we all need to talk about something.

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that looks like a wise group that knows how to have fun

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Zelenskyy must know that all of the once deal-stopping issues to peace have been de facto settled: Ukraine is now better armed than most NATO nations, but will not be in NATO; and no president has or will ever supply Ukraine with the armed wherewithal to take back the Donbass and Crimea. So, the only two issues are a) how far will Putin be willing to withdraw to his 2022 borders and b) how will he be deterred? The first is answered by a commercial sector/tripwire, joint Ukrainian-US-Europe resource development corridor in Eastern Ukraine, coupled with a Korea-like DMZ; the second by the fact that Putin unlike his 2008 and 2014 invasions has now lost a million dead and wounded to a Ukraine that will remain thusly armed.

Bi_3 wrote:Victor Davis Hanson wrote this on his wrap-up from yesterday's disaster, and I know it's cool to do the lol-mineral-deal-lol-lmao-even thing, but this really is the best option we have at the moment for peace in the region. Hate Trump all you want, this is the way that the West wins.

Zelenskyy must know that all of the once deal-stopping issues to peace have been de facto settled: Ukraine is now better armed than most NATO nations, but will not be in NATO; and no president has or will ever supply Ukraine with the armed wherewithal to take back the Donbass and Crimea. So, the only two issues are a) how far will Putin be willing to withdraw to his 2022 borders and b) how will he be deterred? The first is answered by a commercial sector/tripwire, joint Ukrainian-US-Europe resource development corridor in Eastern Ukraine, coupled with a Korea-like DMZ; the second by the fact that Putin unlike his 2008 and 2014 invasions has now lost a million dead and wounded to a Ukraine that will remain thusly armed.

96583UP wrote:that was a reference to RFK Jr's comments

and even if it wasn't, that was way over the top

you do still have time to apologize though

tragabigzanda wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:Victor Davis Hanson wrote this on his wrap-up from yesterday's disaster, and I know it's cool to do the lol-mineral-deal-lol-lmao-even thing, but this really is the best option we have at the moment for peace in the region. Hate Trump all you want, this is the way that the West wins.

Zelenskyy must know that all of the once deal-stopping issues to peace have been de facto settled: Ukraine is now better armed than most NATO nations, but will not be in NATO; and no president has or will ever supply Ukraine with the armed wherewithal to take back the Donbass and Crimea. So, the only two issues are a) how far will Putin be willing to withdraw to his 2022 borders and b) how will he be deterred? The first is answered by a commercial sector/tripwire, joint Ukrainian-US-Europe resource development corridor in Eastern Ukraine, coupled with a Korea-like DMZ; the second by the fact that Putin unlike his 2008 and 2014 invasions has now lost a million dead and wounded to a Ukraine that will remain thusly armed.

I still do not understand how people see this going from A to point Z.

The area rich with minerals is under Russian control. Russia is not gonna sign a peace deal that gives that region back. The US is not going to funnel more money and weapons into Ukraine, even if there is a mineral deal. Surely that last part is obvious to everybody? So what grand strategic calculus change occurs, if the deal is struck?

Totally spitballing, but Russian extraction/Ukranian processing/US purchase and redistribution of refined minerals. It’s the Japanese model: Own the supply chain the other country, exploit their labor to staff the supply chain, then sell them the finished product.