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VinylGuy wrote:I wasnt talking about the sex part dime. I was talking more about his perception of his own power towards others. His abusing behavior.

No denying through this lens.
I’m not sure he would have seen it that way or he was doing anything wrong. The whole messiah complex thing he definitely had would Wired him to think he was helping.

That’s if we’re viewing it totally through an innocent POV. Best in mind, it’s a matter of fact that these families all basically were bankrolled by him in one way or another(lending the safechucks the money for a house then later forgiving the loan) and you could see him going
‘I’ve had enough of being bled’ and just dripping contact with them.
There’s a consistency to that too, Arviso kid on the stand when asked why are you angry at Michaels Jackson? He responded almost shouting and clearly hurt ‘cos he stopped calling me!’
Not ‘he sexually abused me’. That whole case was a total shakedown and the family caught out.
If you believe he was a predator it obviously can be seen the other way. There’s patterns of behaviour among the four families that have made allegations too let’s be fair and accept that.


And remember thousands if not tens of thousands of kids and groups of sick kids have visited neverland down the years.
There’s only four allegations. All cash based.
Balance of probablities don’t balance for me when you look at the whole picture.

Well never know.

but you always blame the others and point them out...what do you think about Michael?

VinylGuy wrote:but you always blame the others and point them out...what do you think about Michael?

I’m not blaming anyone. I’m extremely suspicious given the motivations.
I do think he was warped. And clearly desperately lonely. And messiah complex which later became a victim complex.
I don’t understand the psychology nearly enough to map that or understand that.

I think the fact he consistently made stupid decisions in these matters also lends to his innocence. There was nobody around to say ‘no. Bad idea. Don’t do that’. They’re all on the payroll gravy train and nobody wants to get kicked off.

He had an amazing lawyer john branca that was able to tell him that but he fired him after Bad/before dangerous I think?

Everything went south there. Both personally with this stuff and later with finances.

He lived in a bubble where No was not an option. He never heard that word. That too can be viewed either way.

Well just never know. His memory and legacy are definitely tainted in my own head
I want to believe his innocence 100% but this has tainted it for me for sure.

dimejinky99 wrote:
I think the fact he consistently made stupid decisions in these matters also lends to his innocence. There was nobody around to say ‘no. Bad idea. Don’t do that’.

But just because you didn't know something was wrong, or no one told you it was wrong, doesn't make it right, and doesn't make him innocent. Not knowing does not equal innocence.

I guess his childhood, his own stories with his dad and family helped shaped his own abusive behavior to other people. How to use them, how to keep them near, how to disposed them.

An amazing artist, an awful human being to me.

dimejinky99 wrote:Balance of probablities don’t balance for me when you look at the whole picture.

What's the average percentage of kids that pedophiles molest that they've met? Like 5 in every 1000 kids?

Quick question, is it OK to listen to music MJ made before he started allegedly molesting kids? I’m assuming the Jackson 5 stuff probably up to Thriller is safe right?

Simple Torture wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Balance of probablities don’t balance for me when you look at the whole picture.

What's the average percentage of kids that pedophiles molest that they've met? Like 5 in every 1000 kids?

I’m not sure. Not every rapist rapes every times they meet someone.
Same time 4 dodgy allegations over 20(?) years out of countless thousands meeting kids?
Since the 70s or 80s?
It doesn’t add up for me.
I don’t know though.

meatwad wrote:Quick question, is it OK to listen to music MJ made before he started allegedly molesting kids? I’m assuming the Jackson 5 stuff probably up to Thriller is safe right?

Everything after dangerous just isn’t that good. Stick with all up to dangerous.

Anyone gives you shit about it I dunno. Don’t let people police your choices.

meatwad wrote:Quick question, is it OK to listen to music MJ made before he started allegedly molesting kids? I’m assuming the Jackson 5 stuff probably up to Thriller is safe right?

How about 'Man In The Mirror'. Can I listen to that guilt free? It seems he was trying to take responsibility for his actions here but was then waylaid by some sexy boy bum (or whatever his thing was).

dimejinky99 wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Balance of probablities don’t balance for me when you look at the whole picture.

What's the average percentage of kids that pedophiles molest that they've met? Like 5 in every 1000 kids?

I’m not sure. Not every rapist rapes every times they meet someone.
Same time 4 dodgy allegations over 20(?) years out of countless thousands meeting kids?
Since the 70s or 80s?
It doesn’t add up for me.
I don’t know though.

He might have abused one kid over 1000 and its enough dime. It doesnt matter how many they were.

VinylGuy wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Balance of probablities don’t balance for me when you look at the whole picture.

What's the average percentage of kids that pedophiles molest that they've met? Like 5 in every 1000 kids?

I’m not sure. Not every rapist rapes every times they meet someone.
Same time 4 dodgy allegations over 20(?) years out of countless thousands meeting kids?
Since the 70s or 80s?
It doesn’t add up for me.
I don’t know though.

He might have abused one kid over 1000 and its enough dime. It doesnt matter how many they were.

It’s been established the Robson family visited neverland a total of 14 times.
Michael was only there four of those times in total.

Another huge silver bullet in that guys story.

Dime, im not even talking about those two guys.

Still, they shared a lot of intimate time with him, so it could have happened.

VinylGuy wrote:Dime, im not even talking about those two guys.

Still, they shared a lot of intimate time with him, so it could have happened.

And equally it probably didn’t. We weren’t there.

In ‘look over there!’ News
Has anyone watched the Madeline McCann doco on Netflix?

‘Cold, methodical and uncompromising, 'The Disappearance of Madeline McCann' puts the media, the investigation and the McCanns under the microscope.’

Again, im not even discussing the sex part....and still, Michael struck me as a monster. Awful human being.

dimejinky99 wrote:In ‘look over there!’ News
Has anyone watched the Madeline McCann doco on Netflix?

‘Cold, methodical and uncompromising, 'The Disappearance of Madeline McCann' puts the media, the investigation and the McCanns under the microscope.’

I want to see it. maybe sometimes.

VinylGuy wrote:Again, im not even discussing the sex part....and still, Michael struck me as a monster. Awful human being.

Definitely warped possibly unwell mentally.
But I doubt any malice or acting on it.

Doubt it now. If someone in court presents evidence I’ll be hands up.
Hasn’t been any though.

Why are you so oblivious to Jackson being a mentally ill pervert? Is it a European disconnect thing?

verb_to_trust wrote:Why are you so oblivious to Jackson being a mentally ill pervert? Is it a European disconnect thing?

McNulty: Back off the Greeks, they invented civilization.
Bunk: Mm-hmm. Assfucking, too.