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Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 2:12 am
by Simple Torture
I think the way they dramatized a certain moment tonight basically confirms a theory book readers have had for years. I won't mention what it is until show-watchers have time to process it all.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 2:14 am
by Simple Torture
And I'd love to know if show-watchers saw this coming.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 2:20 am
by Norah
Arya killing Meryn Trant was one of the most badass things I've ever seen.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 2:26 am
by lowlight79
Spoiler: show
Being a book reader and a show watcher


If this is the way it happens and he is truly dead, I am done with the show. And will wait for the next book

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 2:45 am
by Norah
Seriously, that Meryn Trant scene was incredible.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 2:53 am
by Simple Torture
cutuphalfdead wrote:Seriously, that Meryn Trant scene was incredible.
The punishment fit the crime--she gouged his eyes out, now hers are useless. The Many Faced God is nothing if not fair. I can see why he didn't outright kill her, though: Jaqen himself broke those rules when he helped her escape Harrenhall.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 3:27 am
by Chris_H_2
I'm not sure how I feel about seeing Lena Headley that naked.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 3:29 am
by Mecca
Chris_H_2 wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about seeing Lena Headley that naked.
i don't think that was actually her body. it seemed cgi

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 3:48 am
by malice
cutuphalfdead wrote:Why's that, mal?
Because what's the point? they just keep killing people, you have no real desire to latch onto any of the characters. and getting rid of Jon snow makes no sense to me, I'd pretty much looked at much of this story as being his, now who fucking cares ?

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 3:53 am
by daft twat
malice wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:Why's that, mal?
Because what's the point? they just keep killing people, you have no real desire to latch onto any of the characters. and getting rid of Jon snow makes no sense to me, I'd pretty much looked at much of this story as being his, now who fucking cares ?
My boys were watching the latest WWE PPv while I watched this. It's similar to wrestling. Ok, your guy is out. That means you're out? That's bullshit, miss. The fight for the belt/throne continues. And when it's won, know that someone elder is coming for it.

Book readers, you got anything of significance left on us!

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 3:54 am
by Mecca
everyone dies.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 3:56 am
by daft twat
Mecca wrote:everyone dies.
But not everyone really lives.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 3:57 am
by Strat
malice wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:Why's that, mal?
Because what's the point? they just keep killing people, you have no real desire to latch onto any of the characters. and getting rid of Jon snow makes no sense to me, I'd pretty much looked at much of this story as being his, now who fucking cares ?

Team malice. Seriously. Over it. WTF

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 4:03 am
by BurtReynolds
I'm Team Malice mostly. Once Joffrey died my interest mostly died with him. The central plot (up to that point) just sputtered to a stop because all the characters died (mostly in anti-climactic ways). Now its a bunch of people I don't care about doing things I don't care about. I think if you do care about these new characters, then it works, but its not for me. Its a soap opera. It feels like cheap manipulation. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt its going to add up into anything cool.

Do people really think this is going to climax with a big war of white walkers and dragons and huge armies and who knows what else? On a TV budget? I think people are gonna rage when this thing actually ends.

At least with wrestling you have complete story arcs (usually).

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 4:04 am
by Mecca
daft twat wrote:
Mecca wrote:everyone dies.
But not everyone really lives.
seriously though, the only thing I can let on as a book reader is that show has certainly captured how much you cared about those departed. Art elicits emotion and great art elicits strong emotions both positive and negative. These stories and characters are great because we get to know them as people and champion their virtues while simultaneously wondering how they could make the mistakes that they did. We want Jon to succeed because he's the hero and virtuous, but that's not what this story is about; the story is about turning tropes on their heads and ultimately, these are just people, not necessarily heroes. Everyone on the show you like could die, but their world keeps going. New faces fill the void of the old ones, villains become sympathetic characters (Jaime), etc.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 4:06 am
by Strat
Spoiler: show
somebody on FB made a comment about how all of our favorite characters will be back...with just less flesh on them. So, Okay if thast true and there is a greater point to it all....then maybe by the end of the series it will all make sense. As of now its really hard to keep interest in the show as a non book reader. Although, if you are a book reader and that hasn't been fleshed out or tied up...whats your motivation? Unfortunately, I need characters to give a shit about in order to keep watching. As of now Tyrion is really the only character i give a poo about and im sure he will get slaughtered too

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 4:06 am
by Norah
Don't you people like Arya?

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 4:07 am
by Strat
Mecca wrote:
daft twat wrote:
Mecca wrote:everyone dies.
But not everyone really lives.
seriously though, the only thing I can let on as a book reader is that show has certainly captured how much you cared about those departed. Art elicits emotion and great art elicits strong emotions both positive and negative. These stories and characters are great because we get to know them as people and champion their virtues while simultaneously wondering how they could make the mistakes that they did. We want Jon to succeed because he's the hero and virtuous, but that's not what this story is about; the story is about turning tropes on their heads and ultimately, these are just people, not necessarily heroes. Everyone on the show you like could die, but their world keeps going. New faces fill the void of the old ones, villains become sympathetic characters (Jaime), etc.

Yea but this is a story. A book. A tv Show. There needs to be a character I give a shit about.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 4:08 am
by Strat
cutuphalfdead wrote:Don't you people like Arya?

She will get killed. Whats the point of getting attached?

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 15, 2015 4:08 am
by Mecca
Strat wrote:
Mecca wrote:
daft twat wrote:
Mecca wrote:everyone dies.
But not everyone really lives.
seriously though, the only thing I can let on as a book reader is that show has certainly captured how much you cared about those departed. Art elicits emotion and great art elicits strong emotions both positive and negative. These stories and characters are great because we get to know them as people and champion their virtues while simultaneously wondering how they could make the mistakes that they did. We want Jon to succeed because he's the hero and virtuous, but that's not what this story is about; the story is about turning tropes on their heads and ultimately, these are just people, not necessarily heroes. Everyone on the show you like could die, but their world keeps going. New faces fill the void of the old ones, villains become sympathetic characters (Jaime), etc.

Yea but this is a story. A book. A tv Show. There needs to be a character I give a shit about.
Dany and Tyrion?