Red Mosquito

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 7:43 pm**

VinylGuy wrote:
theplatypus wrote:I've never seen the first one
Its on Netflix and on Prime..and this week all network stations are going to play it too. And its on the radio too.

Why so much?

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 7:43 pm**

wease wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
theplatypus wrote:I've never seen the first one
Its on Netflix and on Prime..and this week all network stations are going to play it too. And its on the radio too.
Why so much?

Tom Cruise bought Argentina

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 7:47 pm**

5 and 6 fucking suck, I hate them

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 7:55 pm**

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 7:55 pm**

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 8:43 pm**

tragabigzanda wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:JJ career is crap? For christ sake Trag, even if you dont like his movies that giy sure knows how to shoot on a bigger scale. He is capable of amazing things.

Im not sure which one is my favorite...5 maybe? Fallout was a amazing too...not sure. Maybe i love them all.
Lots of people making movies these days that look amazing but don't resonate emotionally. JJ is at the top of that heap.

I dont think a lot of people can shot at the level of JJ. And his movies mostly resonate emotionally to me, sometimes too much, like Spielberg did but not in the same level of course.

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 8:46 pm**

Obviously, JJ's work really hits me. Always has. I think the guy is one of our best. Of course, then, I think MI:3 is a fantastic film. I love seeing so much love for it in this thread.

It's certainly my favorite of the franchise -- that I've seen. I stopped after Ghost Protocol.

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 11:29 pm**

I had to look in to this a bit further as J.J. Abrams work just doesn't jump out at me as many filmmakers may and I see there is a reason for that, in thirty years within the business he hasn't done much at all.
That said I was thinking of queuing up Joy Ride earlier today after seeing the entire Fast and the Furious series yesterday and Leelee Sobieski quickly in Deep Impact this afternoon.

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 11:33 pm**

Damn he hasnt done much? You are exigent.

He directed both Star Trek and Star Wars, huuuge movies. Did MI3, Super 8 and tv series like Alias, Lost or Felicity. His company is producing a bunch of films too...i mean, that guy´s work ethics.....

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 11:34 pm**

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 11:37 pm**

tragabigzanda wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:Damn he hasnt done much? You are exigent.

He directed both Star Trek and Star Wars, huuuge movies. Did MI3, Super 8 and tv series like Alias, Lost or Felicity. His company is producing a bunch of films too...i mean, that guy´s work ethics.....
i think just one of these is great. Super 8 is the worst offender: All the style of an 80s Spielberg flick with none of the heart

What's funny is that Super 8 has more heart to me than anything Spielberg has done since ... ET? I thought it was a perfect love letter, not only to Spielberg but to cinema, to the joy of imagination and the infinite possibility of childhood.

It doesn't feel like an imitation or a pastiche to me at all. It's a perfect homage while still being all JJ in and out. I think it's a great movie. Far better than something similar like Stranger Things, for example.

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 11:41 pm**

Super 8 is blatantly, decidedly imitation and pastiche, but it’s good imitation and pastiche (unlike Stranger Things). At least from what I remember; I wonder how it would hold up now.

It has plenty of genuine heart, but heart is overrated. Heart isn’t what makes Spielberg’s best work great - it’s meaning, depth, and artistry/craftsmanship that do. Super 8 can’t compete there, but I’m not sure it needs to. It finds its own way.

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 11:46 pm**

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 11:47 pm**

VinylGuy wrote:Damn he hasnt done much? You are exigent.

He directed both Star Trek and Star Wars, huuuge movies. Did MI3, Super 8 and tv series like Alias, Lost or Felicity. His company is producing a bunch of films too...i mean, that guy´s work ethics.....

I am only speaking of the films not television here but indeed, he directed two Star Wars sequels, a Star Trek reboot and its sequel, an M:I sequel and one original with Super 8 while co-writing three of those. So no, for me that is not a lot though I may weigh the gravitas of huuuge differently than you as that hurt to even type.

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 11:48 pm**

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 11:49 pm**

tragabigzanda wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:Super 8 is blatantly, decidedly imitation and pastiche, but it’s good imitation and pastiche (unlike Stranger Things). At least from what I remember; I wonder how it would hold up now.

It has plenty of genuine heart, but heart is overrated. Heart isn’t what makes Spielberg’s best work great - it’s meaning, depth, and artistry/craftsmanship that do. Super 8 can’t compete there, but I’m not sure it needs to. It finds its own way.
I think heart and meaning/depth are the same thing here, at least for me. What I love about, say, ET, is that the kids feel real; the kids in Super 8 feel like a writers' room exercise in imitation.

I definitely do not agree on the first point, but the second point is fair. Super 8 is definitely no ET, for a million reasons.

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 11:50 pm**

durdencommatyler wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:Damn he hasnt done much? You are exigent.

He directed both Star Trek and Star Wars, huuuge movies. Did MI3, Super 8 and tv series like Alias, Lost or Felicity. His company is producing a bunch of films too...i mean, that guy´s work ethics.....
i think just one of these is great. Super 8 is the worst offender: All the style of an 80s Spielberg flick with none of the heart
What's funny is that Super 8 has more heart to me than anything Spielberg has done since ... ET? I thought it was a perfect love letter, not only to Spielberg but to cinema, to the joy of imagination and the infinite possibility of childhood.

It doesn't feel like an imitation or a pastiche to me at all. It's a perfect homage while still being all JJ in and out. I think it's a great movie. Far better than something similar like Stranger Things, for example.

i agree with this. Super 8 felt super honest and i loved the ending. But still, even if i dont like whatever JJ does, he really know how to craft a movie, a series or whatever. He might be still finding his true voice as an artist, i dont know, but im impressed with his work.

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 11:51 pm**

Heart means a lot more to me than depth or meaning -- but I think JJ does just fine there as well. As far as craft goes, I think JJ and Spielberg punch in the same weight class. Both have strengths and weaknesses and I think each beats the hell out of the other in different ways. I'll take JJ 8 times out of 10, personally.

Probably, one thing I like more about JJ than Spielberg that others feel the* exact opposite* about is the way in which they use "meaning." Spielberg's meaning is often on the nose whereas JJ's to me has more contour. In other words, Spielberg's craft saves him. In lesser hands his work would be forgettable and hollow at best and laughably dopey at worst.

JJ's, though not always perfect and sometimes convoluted, is always far more interesting to me. I like his style/approach a lot. Like a lot, a lot. But, again, I know that's utterly absurd to 99% of most cinema fans.

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 11:52 pm**

Fuck heart. I fucking hate heart. Heart is cancer.

Posted: **Thu April 02, 2020 11:52 pm**

LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:Super 8 is blatantly, decidedly imitation and pastiche, but it’s good imitation and pastiche (unlike Stranger Things). At least from what I remember; I wonder how it would hold up now.

It has plenty of genuine heart, but heart is overrated. Heart isn’t what makes Spielberg’s best work great - it’s meaning, depth, and artistry/craftsmanship that do. Super 8 can’t compete there, but I’m not sure it needs to. It finds its own way.
I think heart and meaning/depth are the same thing here, at least for me. What I love about, say, ET, is that the kids feel real; the kids in Super 8 feel like a writers' room exercise in imitation.
I definitely do not agree on the first point, but the second point is fair. Super 8 is definitely no ET, for a million reasons.

Well, yeah, I'll agree here as well. ET is better by a country mile.

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