Red Mosquito

dimejinky99 wrote:

epilogue wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

epilogue wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

epilogue wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

epilogue wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:Why do they need to fight?

Thematically it makes a lot of sense.

They already had the scene in A New Hope.

Not at all.

What are you hoping this hypothetical scene accomplishes?

What do you mean?

In terms of progressing and expanding upon the story and themes of their relationship. Why does it need to happen? What does it need to accomplish?

Having not seen the show, obviously, I imagine we start with an Obi-Wan who is lost and despondent. He feels like a failure. He failed to save his friend/spiritual brother Anakin. And at the same time he failed to destroy Darth Vader. It's got to be part of what's eating away at him.

Having the chance to face Anakin/Vader again, to finally succeed is going to be a huge motivation. It's also going to inform HOW they interact.

Their fight in Sith is vicious, violent, and volatile. It's all passion. It's a war for the soul.

Their fight in Hope is measured. It's a chess match. Obi-Wan approaches it, not form a position of wanting to (or even knowing he can) defeat Vader but from a tactical position. He's mostly trying to buy Luke time. He knows he can't defeat him. And he certainly knows there's no turning him (which is a departure from how he used to feel). He also knows that he can become one with the Force. The goal is very different than before.

I expect this fight to give us clues/explorations of: 1) Vader's "Obi-Wan once thought as you did" line, 2) Vader's "You should not have come back" line, 3) Why/how Obi-Wan is so certain he can't defeat Vader. 4) How Obi-Wan goes from being despondent to being focused and certain, to believing Luke is the chosen one.

This new fight should provide insight (if not full answers; I don't expect that) into all of that stuff. We should see each character a very different points in their respective journeys. It's all about the motivations, the HOW/WHY of the fight.

When Obi-Wan takes down Maul in Rebels, it's one of the greatest lightsaber fights in all of Star Wars and it's like three moves. Because only Obi-Wan at that point in his life, having gone through everything else, could have fought that particular fight that particular way. I think the same is true of his two fights (so far) with Vader. I expect this next one to be no different.

Most importantly, Obi-Wan needs it, I think. He needs it to overcome his doubt and fear. At least, that's one way to imagine this playing out. The story could be very different. Obviously, I'm making a lot of guesses as to what this will be about thematically. But all of this rambling provides some reasons why it could work and why it would be important to see them fight again.

I love you and I’m totally posting that in my favourite Star Wars group.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Or Kanan even

I may be wrong, but wasn’t there an episode of rebels before kanaan died where he reached out to obi wan for something? Could be cool if they showed that

epilogue wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Uuhgghhhh. One thing I’d hoped was this series wasn’t a Star Wars character cameo of the week as we saw in the other two. Looks like that’s happening. I hope we love them but I hope they’re handled well

They broke this down on Force Center and it was an interesting conversation. It's all about context. We, for example, don't even know what "cameo" means to him. Could be characters in the story. Could be actors. Could be a lot of things.

I'm no less excited.

epilogue wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

epilogue wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

epilogue wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

epilogue wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:Why do they need to fight?

Thematically it makes a lot of sense.

They already had the scene in A New Hope.

Not at all.

What are you hoping this hypothetical scene accomplishes?

What do you mean?

In terms of progressing and expanding upon the story and themes of their relationship. Why does it need to happen? What does it need to accomplish?

Having not seen the show, obviously, I imagine we start with an Obi-Wan who is lost and despondent. He feels like a failure. He failed to save his friend/spiritual brother Anakin. And at the same time he failed to destroy Darth Vader. It's got to be part of what's eating away at him.

Having the chance to face Anakin/Vader again, to finally succeed is going to be a huge motivation. It's also going to inform HOW they interact.

Their fight in Sith is vicious, violent, and volatile. It's all passion. It's a war for the soul.

Their fight in Hope is measured. It's a chess match. Obi-Wan approaches it, not form a position of wanting to (or even knowing he can) defeat Vader but from a tactical position. He's mostly trying to buy Luke time. He knows he can't defeat him. And he certainly knows there's no turning him (which is a departure from how he used to feel). He also knows that he can become one with the Force. The goal is very different than before.

I expect this fight to give us clues/explorations of: 1) Vader's "Obi-Wan once thought as you did" line, 2) Vader's "You should not have come back" line, 3) Why/how Obi-Wan is so certain he can't defeat Vader. 4) How Obi-Wan goes from being despondent to being focused and certain, to believing Luke is the chosen one.

This new fight should provide insight (if not full answers; I don't expect that) into all of that stuff. We should see each character a very different points in their respective journeys. It's all about the motivations, the HOW/WHY of the fight.

When Obi-Wan takes down Maul in Rebels, it's one of the greatest lightsaber fights in all of Star Wars and it's like three moves. Because only Obi-Wan at that point in his life, having gone through everything else, could have fought that particular fight that particular way. I think the same is true of his two fights (so far) with Vader. I expect this next one to be no different.

Most importantly, Obi-Wan needs it, I think. He needs it to overcome his doubt and fear. At least, that's one way to imagine this playing out. The story could be very different. Obviously, I'm making a lot of guesses as to what this will be about thematically. But all of this rambling provides some reasons why it could work and why it would be important to see them fight again.

Monkey_Driven wrote:I appreciate you responding to this and I can certainly see the merits of your argument. Do you have confidence they can actually pull it off?

epilogue wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:I appreciate you responding to this and I can certainly see the merits of your argument. Do you have confidence they can actually pull it off?

I'm not as disenfranchised by modern Star Wars as most of y'all. So, yes. Absolutely. I have no doubt.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

epilogue wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:I appreciate you responding to this and I can certainly see the merits of your argument. Do you have confidence they can actually pull it off?

I'm not as disenfranchised by modern Star Wars as most of y'all. So, yes. Absolutely. I have no doubt.

I wouldn't say I'm completely disenfranchised. I just don't feel super confident about this particular series given its rocky development cycle and the rumored need to cram in several periphery characters.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Will we get Maul at some point?

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Will we get Maul at some point?

epilogue wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Will we get Maul at some point?

That would not make sense.