Lament wrote:I've got a lot of cool Rilo Kiley stuff if you're interested. I'm not sure if you're a live recording kinda guy, but I've got a couple of shows that are just Jennythat chick from The Wizard and BlakePinsky that are great listens.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Sat April 12, 2014 2:33 am
by Rangi Guy
stip wrote:
I bet you think people who enjoy rockband should just learn to play the guitar.
I would love to hear Ed try and talk about cloud services
"Well, you know, it's just that... it's like a... ummmm.. well, to sum it up, clouds are just evaporated pieces of ocean."
Well done
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Sat April 12, 2014 8:41 am
by Heathen
given2trade wrote:
Strat wrote:
given2trade wrote:Let me explain the merchandising criticism in a different way.
Pearl Jam is aware 500-2500 people are so mentally obsessed with the band (in an unhealthy way) they will buy anything they put out, especially if limited edition, and regardless of whether they can afford it.
Pearl Jam has milked the living shit out of these poor people for years now. That's our problem. And it's a MINOR problem compared to all the other problems.
Were you were that fan in the mid 90's though? (honest question). Is there any part of you that has such a disgust for it now just because you think the music sucks?
Yes; but I was 15-20 years old; I wasn't poor; and I am NOT making fun of that fan today. I'm upset at the band preying on them.
but... what's the downside of selling booze to an alcoholic? it makes them happy!
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Sat April 12, 2014 9:23 am
by stip
Heathen wrote:
given2trade wrote:
Strat wrote:
given2trade wrote:Let me explain the merchandising criticism in a different way.
Pearl Jam is aware 500-2500 people are so mentally obsessed with the band (in an unhealthy way) they will buy anything they put out, especially if limited edition, and regardless of whether they can afford it.
Pearl Jam has milked the living shit out of these poor people for years now. That's our problem. And it's a MINOR problem compared to all the other problems.
Were you were that fan in the mid 90's though? (honest question). Is there any part of you that has such a disgust for it now just because you think the music sucks?
Yes; but I was 15-20 years old; I wasn't poor; and I am NOT making fun of that fan today. I'm upset at the band preying on them.
but... what's the downside of selling booze to an alcoholic? it makes them happy!
We're only a few posts away from one of you saying 'why can't the nazis kill jews, it makes them happy' aren't we.
Once again, please explain to Southp
southp wrote:Not to contradict what goes on in other threads around here, but I for one love the current trend of releasing limited edition vinyl to 10C only. They have recognized that there are enough of us who are into this type of collectable and their doing it the right way in offering it to fan club nerds only.
I love the band, I love vinyl and I love collecting... it's the Fanboy trifecta!
why he is wrong to enjoy this stuff, and how the band is secretly exploiting him, and how you are only looking out for his best interests.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Sat April 12, 2014 9:27 am
by Heathen
Explain something to PJ fan that happens to be also a collector? Like, rational talk and shit? Are you serious? That seems even more fucked up than the nazis/jews thing.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Sat April 12, 2014 9:37 am
by Birds in Hell
stip wrote:
southp wrote:Not to contradict what goes on in other threads around here, but I for one love the current trend of releasing limited edition vinyl to 10C only. They have recognized that there are enough of us who are into this type of collectable and their doing it the right way in offering it to fan club nerds only.
I love the band, I love vinyl and I love collecting... it's the Fanboy trifecta!
why he is wrong to enjoy this stuff, and how the band is secretly exploiting him, and how you are only looking out for his best interests.
I don't see what there is to refute here. Nobody's saying his enjoyment of these things is invalid. Maybe someone's claimed the audience is being exploited, I haven't.
Some fans clearly enjoy this stuff, others don't; there's not any resolution to uncover.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Sat April 12, 2014 9:40 am
by stip
Numerous people have said that the band is exploiting its fans, or otherwise judged (implicitly or explicitly) the fans who do enjoy buying this stuff.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Sat April 12, 2014 9:44 am
by stip
If you are simply saying that the problem with all the merchandise pearl jam is releasing is just that it isn't good, rather than the fact that it exists, then I retract that post if I directed it at you. I've been lumping you in with the G2T's, Heathen's, and McParadigm's (and others) of this thread.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Sat April 12, 2014 11:18 am
by McParadigm
stip wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
I think Simmons is wrong to reduce the music to the merchandise, but the merchandise is a reflection of the commitment you have to the music.
"Merchandise is a reflection of the commitment you have to the music" is both a very vaseline-lensed version of the relationship between these massive marketing ventures and the band's occasional music-making, and indicative of a level of pessimism about love and life that not even I stoop to.
I bet you think people who enjoy rockband should just learn to play the guitar.
And that people who play the Grand Theft Auto games should just get off their ass and get to work on stealing cars and visiting prostitutes, like a goddamn adult.
What's your point?
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Sat April 12, 2014 11:45 am
by stip
That all these things you get with the bands name on it, or the team, or whatever, is an expression of a deeper connection with that entity and is a way to both express that connection and, through that expression, feel like you are closer to the thing itself. That buying/wearing/collecting this stuff is at least in part an existential act
No one buys a band shirt because they need something to wear
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Sat April 12, 2014 11:46 am
by stip
And I'm not surprised that you reject that premise.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Sat April 12, 2014 11:59 am
by Heathen
stip wrote:That all these things you get with the bands name on it, or the team, or whatever, is an expression of a deeper connection with that entity and is a way to both express that connection and, through that expression, feel like you are closer to the thing itself. That buying/wearing/collecting this stuff is at least in part an existential act
No one buys a band shirt because they need something to wear
You'd be surprised.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Sat April 12, 2014 3:40 pm
by Norah
Birds in Hell wrote:
stip wrote:
southp wrote:Not to contradict what goes on in other threads around here, but I for one love the current trend of releasing limited edition vinyl to 10C only. They have recognized that there are enough of us who are into this type of collectable and their doing it the right way in offering it to fan club nerds only.
I love the band, I love vinyl and I love collecting... it's the Fanboy trifecta!
why he is wrong to enjoy this stuff, and how the band is secretly exploiting him, and how you are only looking out for his best interests.
I don't see what there is to refute here. Nobody's saying his enjoyment of these things is invalid. Maybe someone's claimed the audience is being exploited, I haven't.
Some fans clearly enjoy this stuff, others don't; there's not any resolution to uncover.
Matty was claiming that, it was a little over the top.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Sat April 12, 2014 3:47 pm
by given2trade
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
stip wrote:
southp wrote:Not to contradict what goes on in other threads around here, but I for one love the current trend of releasing limited edition vinyl to 10C only. They have recognized that there are enough of us who are into this type of collectable and their doing it the right way in offering it to fan club nerds only.
I love the band, I love vinyl and I love collecting... it's the Fanboy trifecta!
why he is wrong to enjoy this stuff, and how the band is secretly exploiting him, and how you are only looking out for his best interests.
I don't see what there is to refute here. Nobody's saying his enjoyment of these things is invalid. Maybe someone's claimed the audience is being exploited, I haven't.
Some fans clearly enjoy this stuff, others don't; there's not any resolution to uncover.
Matty was claiming that, it was a little over the top.
It's one of my many, many, points. I do think the band exploits it's fans. Releasing 800 limited edition XYZ items is just one of the ways they do it. It happens to be my most minor issue w/ the band. 10 Club's complete lack of respect for it's customers is a far bigger issue. Pearl Jam and Ed being completely corporate w/ Target, Oracle, Salesforce.com, birthday parties, etc. And most importantly, the lousy music they have put out for a decade.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Sat April 12, 2014 6:29 pm
by McParadigm
stip wrote:That all these things you get with the bands name on it, or the team, or whatever, is an expression of a deeper connection with that entity
