Being Vegan

[Jorge]

Argo have you considered buying one of those sustainable phones that cost like $800 but are ethical because you know no one's being exploited to make it?

[Jorge]

My friend Jack has one of those. He says they are OK

[malice]

Well, obviously just unleashing tens of billions of cows and chickens and pigs into the wild is a bad idea and impossible and never going to happen anyway. The whole world isn't about to go vegan overnight, leaving us with all these animals. The real ideal is that the future trillions of food animals won't ever have to exist and the land we would otherwise use to support them could grow food directly for humans or be returned to wild. And we'd let buffalo and hogs and turkeys live in the wild doing their own thing.

how are we getting rid of the current surplus population?

OK, so say the best possible thing happens and everyone eventually decides to go vegan (this will never happen). Let's pretend this is an ideal, but still real world. This won't happen overnight. It will happen little by little. First 1% of the population. Next year, a full 5%. Three years later, we're up to 10% of all people being vegan. A generation later, everyone is vegan. The animal agriculture farms would go out of business just as slowly, selling and killing off the animals they have and not breeding future generations. Then re-purposing the land.
This is all silly, because this won't happen. But your objection to me was also silly, so this is what we're left with.

Im exaggerating a point because going vegan is not going to change the ills of civilization, but that's kind of how the whole school of thought is pushed. going vegan seems to me a very "first world white people" action that upper middle class people do so they can feel like theyre doing something to help the rest of the world. Reminds me of the south park episode where everyone was buying priuses, and got overwhelmed by growing clouds of smug...

[The Argonaut]

IMO, being vegan is a good thing to do for the planet, for yourself, for animals. It does actually cure some of the "ills of civilization" in that animal agriculture is one of the most harmful industries to all three of those things.
I don't see how it has anything to do with being white.

[E.H. Ruddock]

But I think an equal number of people choose to go vegan for health purposes, so it isn't just people thinking they are saving the world

[The Argonaut]

Argo have you considered buying one of those sustainable phones that cost like $800 but are ethical because you know no one's being exploited to make it?

No. I'm going to ride this Samsung Galaxy S6 into the ground. Or until a new Tinder update stops supporting it. I don't want to be like lenny.

[The Argonaut]

But I think an equal number of people choose to go vegan for health purposes, so it isn't just people thinking they are saving the world

Honestly, yeah. All this ethical stuff and climate change stuff I'm talking about really helped me to go vegetarian two years ago and increasingly vegan over that time. But the acne breakout I got last week after eating a big thing of eggplant parmesan and a burrito covered in cheese is what pushed me over the edge to try doing this in a more strict way. And to start this thread. It happens every time I eat dairy recently and it's pretty much just the worst. It's embarrassing and I'm not even sure why I'm posting it.
But all the philosophical stuff is still true.

[malice]

IMO, being vegan is a good thing to do for the planet, for yourself, for animals. It does actually cure some of the "ills of civilization" in that animal agriculture is one of the most harmful industries to all three of those things.
I don't see how it has anything to do with being white.

Im sure the chickens are writing songs about you to pass along to their grandchickens, argo

[Sgt. Crackpot]

I fucking love eating meat.

[Jorge]

Argo have you considered buying one of those sustainable phones that cost like $800 but are ethical because you know no one's being exploited to make it?

No. I'm going to ride this Samsung Galaxy S6 into the ground. Or until a new Tinder update stops supporting it. I don't want to be like lenny.

OK but would you?

[Jorge]

I fucking love eating meat.

It is for sure one of my favorite things

[The Argonaut]

Argo have you considered buying one of those sustainable phones that cost like $800 but are ethical because you know no one's being exploited to make it?

No. I'm going to ride this Samsung Galaxy S6 into the ground. Or until a new Tinder update stops supporting it. I don't want to be like lenny.

OK but would you?

I never said I was a good person. I only said that I was a better person than all you meat-eating, milk-chugging, ice-cream-slinging sinners.

jk jk. nah, but would I consider that phone? umm, sure. why not?

[Jorge]

Cool. I think taking stances that help human people is more valuable than taking stances that will help animals. People are more valuable than animals.

I'm not paying $800 for a fucking phone though

[Sgt. Crackpot]

Now I can understand why you're so pale, pallid, and bitter, Argo. You're not getting all those good nutrients that meat and dairy provide.

I'm gonna cook you up a nice juicy steak, with butter and garlic sauce.

[The Argonaut]

Cool. I think taking stances that help human people is more valuable than taking stances that will help animals. People are more valuable than animals.

I'm not paying $800 for a fucking phone though

My A-number-1 ultimate point is that I think the vegan diet helps humans because
1) animal agriculture is devastating to the planet. methane emissions and rainforest deforestation are two really bad ones that if slowed and reduced now can have major benefits to slowing climate change
2) the vegan diet is a very healthy option for the human body

There are a lot of things that can help humans. But this is the food and debate forum. And the title of this thread is "being vegan". So, that's naturally what the focus of the thread is. Talking about exploited human miners and unethical phone production is basically unrelated and kind of an unfair counter to my arguments. It's a form of what-about-ism.

[Jorge]

It's not an attempt to counter your arguments, dillweed.

[The Argonaut]

now you're just calling names

[Sgt. Crackpot]

But that's the point Argo. Methane emissions from from the animals. We must eat them to help reduce their numbers!

I'm doing my part for the planet.

[The Argonaut]

Wife Dinner Party Thank You

[Sgt. Crackpot]

not sure if retarded...

Do you have a beef with people who have intellectual disabilities? Man, you are brutal.