Red Mosquito

Strat wrote:If they repackaged and sld previous albums right now the complaint would be "oooo, they dont even care about LB anymore, they are living on glory days, yadda yadda"

Maybe. Shot from the hip theory.

Exactly that.

The die yards only ever complain when they miss out by ten club making it limited or them just not seeing the mail In time.

As to everyone else it shouldn't even mean anything. It's just stuff.

I don't care about this.

Does this count as a "reissue?" They were probably hoping to offer this for sale at the same time the album was released and just couldn't get it together. I would have preferred it that way. For all the more I listen to vinyl, I might have bought this instead of the actual album. Maybe bought the album later.

B wrote:Does this count as a "reissue?" They were probably hoping to offer this for sale at the same time the album was released and just couldn't get it together. I would have preferred it that way. For all the more I listen to vinyl, I might have bought this instead of the actual album. Maybe bought the album later.

This is a good point. Just imagine, LB vinyl without Sirens....and the birth of a new PJ collectible. The Sirens coaster/dinner plate!

B wrote:Does this count as a "reissue?" They were probably hoping to offer this for sale at the same time the album was released and just couldn't get it together. I would have preferred it that way. For all the more I listen to vinyl, I might have bought this instead of the actual album. Maybe bought the album later.

this certainly lends some credence to harmless' theory

I find it difficult not to feel a little cynical about products marketed primarily to individuals who make a hobby out of the simple accumulation of stuff for stuff's sake. I get that no one is under contract to purchase this thing, but as the quote posted earlier in this thread ("as any good and faithful consumer of endless amounts of Pearl Jam 'stuff' would do, I immediately clicked on the link...")** suggests, I also think there's a demographic of consumer that buys these things because, in their mind, they're supposed to buy it, as though they owe the band some kind of allegiance. Tim Bierman's interactions with 10C members over the years consistently reinforce this mentality, that the band is some large altruistic entity whose entire career has been one big act of selflessness for their fans, and that failure to be "good fans" (could be wrong but I think that's a direct quote) is to disrespect the holy name of the band that has done so much for us. I see this type of product as specifically targeting the sort of fan who buys into that horseshit (or even sadder, the type of fan who legitimately has a kind of pathological obsession with collecting crap with a rock band's name on it), and no one would be one iota worse off in any regard if it didn't exist.

**I realize bluestate may have been elaborating for effect, but I think the persona he's taking on there is easily facsimiled for a reason.

Kevin Davis wrote:I find it difficult not to feel a little cynical about products marketed primarily to individuals who make a hobby out of the simple accumulation of stuff for stuff's sake. I get that no one is under contract to purchase this thing, but as the quote posted earlier in this thread ("as any good and faithful consumer of endless amounts of Pearl Jam 'stuff' would do, I immediately clicked on the link...")** suggests, I also think there's a demographic of consumer that buys these things because, in their mind, they're supposed to buy it, as though they owe the band some kind of allegiance. Tim Bierman's interactions with 10C members over the years consistently reinforce this mentality, that the band is some large altruistic entity whose entire career has been one big act of selflessness for their fans, and that failure to be "good fans" (could be wrong but I think that's a direct quote) is to disrespect the holy name of the band that has done so much for us. I see this type of product as specifically targeting the sort of fan who buys into that horseshit (or even sadder, the type of fan who legitimately has a kind of pathological obsession with collecting crap with a rock band's name on it), and no one would be one iota worse off in any regard if it didn't exist.

**I realize bluestate may have been elaborating for effect, but I think the persona he's taking on there is easily facsimiled for a reason.

well you're right about that, but it sounds like your issue is with the idea of expensive collectibles in the first place.


I think there should be a distinction between a limited edition niche piece (a niche of a niche, actually, since the vinyl market is already a niche group), and, say, something like a new greatest hits with no worthwhile new material on it that people (like myself) would probably buy FOR precisely those reasons you laid out. Two different scenarios, imo. I can't imagine feeling compelled to buy this one unless you were specifically a collector, in which case you're probably glad to have it.

Spoiler: show

niche is apparently one of those words that looks really weird in print, especially when you type it a lot

stip wrote:

B wrote:Does this count as a "reissue?" They were probably hoping to offer this for sale at the same time the album was released and just couldn't get it together. I would have preferred it that way. For all the more I listen to vinyl, I might have bought this instead of the actual album. Maybe bought the album later.

this certainly lends some credence to harmless' theory

It's a real possibility.

stip wrote: well you're right about that, but it sounds like your issue is with the idea of expensive collectibles in the first place.

I would get behind that. Things that 99% of us recognize as worthless, but which are targeted at the 1% who feel they can't live without it.

Once collecting turns to completism, the pain of not having the complete set becomes the only motivation. You have to buy any crap they shovel out. Thats when they know they can fuck you for life, man!

Kevin Davis wrote:I find it difficult not to feel a little cynical about products marketed primarily to individuals who make a hobby out of the simple accumulation of stuff for stuff's sake. I get that no one is under contract to purchase this thing, but as the quote posted earlier in this thread ("as any good and faithful consumer of endless amounts of Pearl Jam 'stuff' would do, I immediately clicked on the link...")** suggests, I also think there's a demographic of consumer that buys these things because, in their mind, they're supposed to buy it, as though they owe the band some kind of allegiance. Tim Bierman's interactions with 10C members over the years consistently reinforce this mentality, that the band is some large altruistic entity whose entire career has been one big act of selflessness for their fans, and that failure to be "good fans" (could be wrong but I think that's a direct quote) is to disrespect the holy name of the band that has done so much for us. I see this type of product as specifically targeting the sort of fan who buys into that horseshit (or even sadder, the type of fan who legitimately has a kind of pathological obsession with collecting crap with a rock band's name on it), and no one would be one iota worse off in any regard if it didn't exist.

**I realize bluestate may have been elaborating for effect, but I think the persona he's taking on there is easily facsimiled for a reason.

I must be one of those with a pathological obsession with collecting crap because I'm truly thrilled to see items such as the Sevens set released by the band. I don't collect Tshirts, posters, or little plastic sheep, but I do collect records. Lots and lots of records. Do i think I'm "supposed" to buy it? No. But what your suggesting is a slightly pretentious view of all collecting in general. Why do people collect coins? Comic Books? Baseball cards? It's an interest or a hobby or a passion, and it's fun. Just because you don't have an interest in the physical item, doesn't make it "fans buying horseshit". There are those of us who genuinely want to own these type of LE releases, and are very happy to make the purchase.

Lastly, if anyone thinks that PJ are into some recent money-making scheme need to go over to pjcollectors.com and see the stuff that they've been producing since album #1. Picture discs, colored singles, limited edition numbered 12" records, official bootlegs, and the list goes on. The only difference, is that in the "post-2000 e-commerce era", it's all sold to us directly through the band's website (making it more obvious). I can tell you that since 1992 I've been receiving 10C newsletters with lots of very nice looking merch for sale.




p.s. Not trying to stoke the fire here, but keep in mind that artists are only making a fraction of what they used to on album/CD sales, so if a band like PJ is going to keep going there has to be a commercialization happening somewhere along the line to make the whole thing viable.

Great post...they have been doing this since...1993? Maybe it was Sony before, now its them..anyway...

Those 7" look cool.

VinylGuy wrote:Great post...they have been doing this since...1993? Maybe it was Sony before, now its them..anyway...

Those 7" look cool.

Did you get one?

southp wrote: p.s. Not trying to stoke the fire here, but keep in mind that artists are only making a fraction of what they used to on album/CD sales, so if a band like PJ is going to keep going there has to be a commercialization happening somewhere along the line to make the whole thing viable.

And the price of concert tickets has raised substantially to compensate for that loss. I believe I paid $35 in 2003 to see them. It was $90 after service charges this go around. Inflation has not been that drastic. Lower tier bands probably suffer but not Pearl Jam. I'm sure they get a million bucks EASY for all of the festivals they play. They also bring that much in per sold out arena show. Even if 1/2 of that is taken out for expenses and Boom (ha), each member is bringing in $100k a night.

tk wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:Great post...they have been doing this since...1993? Maybe it was Sony before, now its them..anyway...

Those 7" look cool.

Did you get one?

Nope, because they are expensive and these months ahead im going to spend money in other stuff too.
But they seem cool, if they release it again sometime i might buy them.

hopethatuchoke wrote:

southp wrote: p.s. Not trying to stoke the fire here, but keep in mind that artists are only making a fraction of what they used to on album/CD sales, so if a band like PJ is going to keep going there has to be a commercialization happening somewhere along the line to make the whole thing viable.

And the price of concert tickets has raised substantially to compensate for that loss. I believe I paid $35 in 2003 to see them. It was $90 after service charges this go around. Inflation has not been that drastic. Lower tier bands probably suffer but not Pearl Jam. I'm sure they get a million bucks EASY for all of the festivals they play. They also bring that much in per sold out arena show. Even if 1/2 of that is taken out for expenses and Boom (ha), each member is bringing in $100k a night.

$90 sounds pretty good to me.

Summer 2013 - Most Expensive Tours
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jesselawren ... t-tickets/

Tour Avg Price
One Direction   $674.23
The Rolling Stones  $637.50
Beyoncé  $358.97
Eagles  $312.25
Pink $299.90
Paul McCartney  $273.73
Fleetwood Mac  $270.29
Depeche Mode  $263.30
Bruno Mars  $250.56
Black Sabbath  $227.95
Justin Timberlake  $221.88
Justin Bieber  $214.12
Taylor Swift & Ed Sheeran  $214.03
John Mayer  $208.09
Dave Matthews Band  $202.53
Lil Wayne  $193.51
Rush  $192.04
Bon Jovi  $191.68
Matchbox 20  $182.69

VinylGuy wrote:

tk wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:Great post...they have been doing this since...1993? Maybe it was Sony before, now its them..anyway...

Those 7" look cool.

Did you get one?

Nope, because they are expensive and these months ahead im going to spend money in other stuff too.
But they seem cool, if they release it again sometime i might buy them.

I could see this going on sale again.

Good for the 10C for finally realizing what "limited edition" actually means. However, I've made a conscious decision to not buy multiple copies of the same content.

tk wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

tk wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:Great post...they have been doing this since...1993? Maybe it was Sony before, now its them..anyway...

Those 7" look cool.

Did you get one?

Nope, because they are expensive and these months ahead im going to spend money in other stuff too.
But they seem cool, if they release it again sometime i might buy them.

I could see this going on sale again.

Oh there is absolutely no doubt that it will.

theplatypus wrote:

tk wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

tk wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:Great post...they have been doing this since...1993? Maybe it was Sony before, now its them..anyway...

Those 7" look cool.

Did you get one?

Nope, because they are expensive and these months ahead im going to spend money in other stuff too.
But they seem cool, if they release it again sometime i might buy them.

I could see this going on sale again.

Oh there is absolutely no doubt that it will.

Between this and the D.C. Vinyl, I have to become a member again. Fuckers. I'm nervous about my amazon order.