TOOL

[Oh, Jimmy]

Aenima
Lateralus
Undertow
Opiate
10k Days

10k Days is alright and there are few masterpieces on there, but it felt more like individual songs than a whole conceptual piece. And I realize they don't have the greatest range of material, but there are quite a few riffs taken from their other songs.

[Rangi Guy]

Lateralus
10,000 Days
Aenima
Undertow
Opiate

Undertow used to be below Opiate, but it's really grown on me recently

[stip]

I cannot fathom preferring 10k days to aenima

[Rangi Guy]

I'm not sure how that happened either - it was Aenima that got me listening to Tool too. They're all pretty close to each other in my eyes

[Kaius]

Aenima
Lateralus
Undertow
Opiate
10k Days

10k Days is alright and there are few masterpieces on there, but it felt more like individual songs than a whole conceptual piece.

I have to disagree with this. The album deals with the human experience of life and death: the death of a loved one, questioning God, questioning man, contemplating our existence, spirituality, religious practice, the evolution of man and his concepts. etc. The themes are there and I think tie together as well as they need to. Musically, Carey's choice of percussion effects really tie the different songs together for me. With those factors in mind, I find that it flows well, but to each their own. I certainly can't fault you for liking the other albums more. Those are monsters.

]And I realize they don't have the greatest range of material, but there are quite a few riffs taken from their other songs.

You likely know more about this than I do. I have trouble detecting chord changes and riffs in all metal-genre music, so I pay more attention to the rhythm, bass, and structure of the songs than anything. To my ears, all of their stuff sounds very similar, but none of their songs sound the same. Their math-rock, sludge-funk sound is what I love about Tool, so I'm not sure how far they could stray and still please.(?)

[Dev]

Aenima
10000
Undertow
Opiate
Lateralus

[Rangi Guy]

Aenima
10000
Undertow
Opiate
Lateralus

Well that an interesting ranking...

[Dev]

nope. I was incredibly disappointed with it. I liked vicarious and the 10000 days/wings for marie sequence. I guess jambi was okay. It felt really uninspired, tool by numbers, bland, and inexcusable for the amount of time they take between records.

Rosetta Stoned is pretty sweet.

Overwhelmed as one would be, placed in my position.
Such a heavy burden now to be the one.
Born to bear and read to all
The details of our ending.
To write it down for all the world to see.
But I forgot my pen,
Shit the bed again,
Typical.

dis be my favourite tool song

[Dev]

Aenima
10000
Undertow
Opiate
Lateralus

Well that an interesting ranking...

i got burnt out on laterals at a point. maybe listened to it too much.

[Rangi Guy]

Aenima
10000
Undertow
Opiate
Lateralus

Well that an interesting ranking...

i got burnt out on laterals at a point. maybe listened to it too much.

Fair call. It's still one of those albums I don't seem to get tired of and will regularly spin. Nice to see 10,000 days near the top - hanging out for the vinyl release of this

[Oh, Jimmy]

I have to disagree with this. The album deals with the human experience of life and death: the death of a loved one, questioning God, questioning man, contemplating our existence, spirituality, religious practice, the evolution of man and his concepts. etc. The themes are there and I think tie together as well as they need to. Musically, Carey's choice of percussion effects really tie the different songs together for me. With those factors in mind, I find that it flows well, but to each their own. I certainly can't fault you for liking the other albums more. Those are monsters.


You likely know more about this than I do. I have trouble detecting chord changes and riffs in all metal-genre music, so I pay more attention to the rhythm, bass, and structure of the songs than anything. To my ears, all of their stuff sounds very similar, but none of their songs sound the same. Their math-rock, sludge-funk sound is what I love about Tool, so I'm not sure how far they could stray and still please.(?)

I was thinking in a more musical sense, on the first part. It could be the tracklisting(more the way each song butts up to the next than the actual flow) or maybe just the guitar sounds they decided on for each song. The previous albums Jones used the amps that he was using for touring, but for 10k Days they patched them to several amps and would mix and match depending on the song. I think using the "limited" guitar setup really helped tie all the songs together from a sonic standpoint.


I'm not trying to say they're just copying an old songs, and I've admittedly overanalyzed it, as a certified Jones-ophile. I'm thinking something like the bridge section of The Pot compared to 46&2 or Right In Two with Pushit from Salival. Maybe an unfair critique, and I probably wouldn't noticed but for my fanaticism, just something that's bugged me.

[Kaius]

I have to disagree with this. The album deals with the human experience of life and death: the death of a loved one, questioning God, questioning man, contemplating our existence, spirituality, religious practice, the evolution of man and his concepts. etc. The themes are there and I think tie together as well as they need to. Musically, Carey's choice of percussion effects really tie the different songs together for me. With those factors in mind, I find that it flows well, but to each their own. I certainly can't fault you for liking the other albums more. Those are monsters.


You likely know more about this than I do. I have trouble detecting chord changes and riffs in all metal-genre music, so I pay more attention to the rhythm, bass, and structure of the songs than anything. To my ears, all of their stuff sounds very similar, but none of their songs sound the same. Their math-rock, sludge-funk sound is what I love about Tool, so I'm not sure how far they could stray and still please.(?)

I was thinking in a more musical sense, on the first part. It could be the tracklisting(more the way each song butts up to the next than the actual flow) or maybe just the guitar sounds they decided on for each song. The previous albums Jones used the amps that he was using for touring, but for 10k Days they patched them to several amps and would mix and match depending on the song. I think using the "limited" guitar setup really helped tie all the songs together from a sonic standpoint.


I'm not trying to say they're just copying an old songs, and I've admittedly overanalyzed it, as a certified Jones-ophile. I'm thinking something like the bridge section of The Pot compared to 46&2 or Right In Two with Pushit from Salival. Maybe an unfair critique, and I probably wouldn't noticed but for my fanaticism, just something that's bugged me.

Gotcha.

You definitely know more about it than I do, so you're probably spot on with your assessment. And hey, what would we do if we couldn't over analyze our favorite bands' music?

What are your thoughts on the (hopefully) upcoming new album?

[Rangi Guy]

What are your thoughts on the (hopefully) upcoming new album?

I think it'll probably be their last..

[Rangi Guy]

For those interested - pre-Tool version of Sober with one of Maynard's first bands

[verb_to_trust]

hmmph

[Simple Torture]

Whenever this thread gets bumped with no new album news, I die a little inside.

[Simple Torture]

Oh my God; what have I done?

[zeb]

http://consequenceofsound.net/2014/07/t ... ght-years/

Tool reveal the real reason why they haven’t released a new album in eight years
BY MICHELLE GESLANION JULY 16, 2014, 2:25AM

Earlier this year, reports surfaced saying that a new Tool album was finally on its way. Unfortunately, the news turned out to be false, and anxious fans who had been waiting eight years for new music learned they’d have to sit tight a little longer. Now, in a new interview with Rolling Stone, the band’s decided to speak up on the nearly decade-long delay.

From personal issues to creative stagnancy to inner band turmoil, there are so many reasons why an album could be derailed. But for Tool, the one thing keeping them from putting out a new record is a ridiculous, circus-like string of lawsuits and countersuits.

The legal nightmare stems from an incident involving a friend of guitarist Adam Jones, who claimed he had provided artwork for the band and wanted due credit. Instead of helping to defend Tool, their insurance company went ahead and sued the band “over technicalities” in the case. Tool then countersued. Fast-forward seven years later, and they’re still deep in the trenches battling the same legal war.

“The whole thing is really depressing,” drummer Danny Carey told Rolling Stone. “The bad thing is it’s really time consuming. As we’ve gotten older and our priorities have changed, it’s hard to get the band on a good, solid schedule as it is. People have kids now. And there’s lots of other things that pop up. To throw this into the mix, it makes everything that much worse and stresses people out.”

Jones added, “And it’s costing millions and millions and millions of dollars to defend us. And the fans are all going, ‘We want a new Tool album. What the fuck?’ And you don’t want to pull people into your problems, because they don’t understand.”

(Read: Tool’s Maynard James Keenan is selling his absurd mansion, only $2.5 million)

The case is set to go to trial in January, and while Tool remain determined to finally put the nightmare to rest after almost a decade of litigation, they can’t help feel as though the odds are against them. “We’re going to trial and we want to crush them,” Jones said. “But every time we’ve gotten close to going to trial, it gets postponed and we’ve wasted money and time and it has just drained our creative energy. We bought an insurance policy for peace of mind, but instead we would have been better off if we never had it and just dealt with the original lawsuit.”

“I find it so hard to be creative when you have something awful nagging at you, just stuck between the hemispheres of your brain and affecting your sleep and your relationship with other band members,” Jones explained of the toll the case has taken on the group. “We have such a strong creative freedom in this band. It’s like we’ve been in a war. And it’s unnecessary. It’s just a shame.”

Thankfully, there is light at the end of the tunnel. The band intend to have something recorded within the next few months. Some of the new material they’ve been working on has been described as “heavy,” “more metal sounding,” and full of “good, nose-bleeding riffs.”

“I’m hoping that we have something really solid recorded by the end of the year,” Carey notes. “But we’ll see how it goes. I thought that last year, too. But we’re making great progress. We’ve really knocked out a lot of good things, especially over the last month. We’re all excited about it.”

[mf]

Well that's some discouraging news. They've been saying for years that the album is mostly written.

[Iholdthepain]

If they are recording, the. Chances are the material is already written. I find this news actually encouraging. Looks like wheels are turning and this lawsuit will be dealt with pretty soon... Either that or they win an award for fucking with their fans more than a y other band, ever.