Red Mosquito

Bi_3 wrote:hilldog's still got bite in this 'The Hollywood Reporter" interview:

THR: In the doc, you're brutally honest on Sanders: "He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done. He was a career politician. It's all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it." That assessment still hold?

Hillary: Yes, it does.

THR: If he gets the nomination, will you endorse and campaign for him?

HIllary: I'm not going to go there yet. We're still in a very vigorous primary season. I will say, however, that it's not only him, it's the culture around him. It's his leadership team. It's his prominent supporters. It's his online Bernie Bros and their relentless attacks on lots of his competitors, particularly the women. And I really hope people are paying attention to that because it should be worrisome that he has permitted this culture — not only permitted, [he] seems to really be very much supporting it. And I don't think we want to go down that road again where you campaign by insult and attack and maybe you try to get some distance from it, but you either don't know what your campaign and supporters are doing or you're just giving them a wink and you want them to go after Kamala [Harris] or after Elizabeth [Warren]. I think that that's a pattern that people should take into account when they make their decisions.

Superblood Wolfmoon wrote:The point being that you tried to offer a rational response on Twitter and a bunch of cretins shouted you down?

Rob wrote:I don't necessarily agree with the sentiments in the last few posts, but they are reasonable. I would just point out that Sanders right now is a solid #2 choice in the primary, at or near 1st in the first 2-3 contests, and maybe most importantly - the 2nd choice among more of Biden's supporters than anyone else, partly because he's got more support among minority groups than anyone but Biden. His coalition is more broad than all but the front-runner, with the ability to pull as many non-traditional voters as anyone. He has real issues with the party, for sure, but not with the voters at large. Biden & Bernie are the only 2 candidates at the moment who poll well across all groups that make up the party, with the only real difference being old vs young, which they split unevenly.

He isn't palatable to everyone, and that's ok. Personally I think he should tone it down a bit and just keep doing what he's been doing the last 4 years. But the fact that someone who refuses to officially join the party can do this well speaks to a party that is in need of some change.

liebzz wrote: I would have thought Warren would fit this bill as both progressive and a pragmatist about those positions,

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Yeah. I’m not a democrat. I don’t believe in the party’s politics at all. The society they have stewarded for people in my generation and below is fucking grim. Why on earth would I vote for one of them? A “return to normalcy” dem presidency would be the absolute worst outcome of the Trump disruption.

Rob wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:hilldog's still got bite in this 'The Hollywood Reporter" interview:

THR: In the doc, you're brutally honest on Sanders: "He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done. He was a career politician. It's all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it." That assessment still hold?

Hillary: Yes, it does.

THR: If he gets the nomination, will you endorse and campaign for him?

HIllary: I'm not going to go there yet. We're still in a very vigorous primary season. I will say, however, that it's not only him, it's the culture around him. It's his leadership team. It's his prominent supporters. It's his online Bernie Bros and their relentless attacks on lots of his competitors, particularly the women. And I really hope people are paying attention to that because it should be worrisome that he has permitted this culture — not only permitted, [he] seems to really be very much supporting it. And I don't think we want to go down that road again where you campaign by insult and attack and maybe you try to get some distance from it, but you either don't know what your campaign and supporters are doing or you're just giving them a wink and you want them to go after Kamala [Harris] or after Elizabeth [Warren]. I think that that's a pattern that people should take into account when they make their decisions.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Yeah. I’m not a democrat. I don’t believe in the party’s politics at all. The society they have stewarded for people in my generation and below is fucking grim. Why on earth would I vote for one of them? A “return to normalcy” dem presidency would be the absolute worst outcome of the Trump disruption.

McParadigm wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Yeah. I’m not a democrat. I don’t believe in the party’s politics at all. The society they have stewarded for people in my generation and below is fucking grim. Why on earth would I vote for one of them? A “return to normalcy” dem presidency would be the absolute worst outcome of the Trump disruption.

And that’s your worldview. Cool. I’m not talking about worldviews. I’m pointing out the fact that those expressions and attitudes are diametrically opposed to any effort you might make to build a coalition that can win a primary and an election.

You’ll never enact the policy platform you claim to want without bringing other people into the tent. All this “fuck off” stuff does is help you feel righteous. And as someone else who wants the agenda espoused by Sanders to thrive, it saddens me to watch his followers waste time trying to berate and threaten their way to the presidency, because it’s as despicable to me as it is ineffective.