Red Mosquito

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote: I agree with all of this. I'm not trying to argue about what they should or should not record. I however believe that the most bitching/10C membership revoking fans do equate heavy/deep with hard/loud. I may be generalising and exaggerating but i don't think it affects the point I'm trying to make in a relevant manner.

That may be true, I'm not sure. But I'm not finding that on RM. Here, the people who are most disappointed with the new stuff tend to be those that love the middle period, specifically Binaural and Riot Act. Very little of that material was as heavy as the early stuff, and that period was really when PJ had come into their own as an acoustic band, among plenty of other things. What they want is the depth and creativity.

stip wrote:Agreed. Maybe this can help rebuild the bridge that martha burned.

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote: I agree with all of this. I'm not trying to argue about what they should or should not record. I however believe that the most bitching/10C membership revoking fans do equate heavy/deep with hard/loud. I may be generalising and exaggerating but i don't think it affects the point I'm trying to make in a relevant manner.

That may be true, I'm not sure. But I'm not finding that on RM. Here, the people who are most disappointed with the new stuff tend to be those that love the middle period, specifically Binaural and Riot Act. Very little of that material was as heavy as the early stuff, and that period was really when PJ had come into their own as an acoustic band, among plenty of other things. What they want is the depth and creativity.

I wasn't talking about RM definitely not the regular posters. Sadly RM isn't very representative of the majority of music listeners or PJ fans for that matter. And it's not about overanalysing but about having an above average interest and consequentially knowledge of music in it's various aspects.
To go back to my original post the only thing i believe they should do from now on is do whatever the fuck they want because no matter what they do it will always be considered awful shit by some people/fans/reviewers whatever and is been like this forever to the point there's this whole mythology about their post Vitalogy studio output that isn't that far away from a respectable conspiracy theory. Just look about all those posts by people who refuse to acknowledge someone could genuinely like Riot Act. Mostly trolls or similar but still. There isn't a way for them to age gracefully, be cool or whatever generally speaking even if you and i may agree on what that would be it's irrelevant at the end of the day. If you think about it they could have aged so much worst it's not even funny.

durdencommatyler wrote:

stip wrote:Agreed. Maybe this can help rebuild the bridge that martha burned.

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote: I agree with all of this. I'm not trying to argue about what they should or should not record. I however believe that the most bitching/10C membership revoking fans do equate heavy/deep with hard/loud. I may be generalising and exaggerating but i don't think it affects the point I'm trying to make in a relevant manner.

That may be true, I'm not sure. But I'm not finding that on RM. Here, the people who are most disappointed with the new stuff tend to be those that love the middle period, specifically Binaural and Riot Act. Very little of that material was as heavy as the early stuff, and that period was really when PJ had come into their own as an acoustic band, among plenty of other things. What they want is the depth and creativity.

I wasn't talking about RM definitely not the regular posters. Sadly RM isn't very representative of the majority of music listeners or PJ fans for that matter. And it's not about overanalysing but about having an above average interest and consequentially knowledge of music in it's various aspects.
To go back to my original post the only thing i believe they should do from now on is do whatever the fuck they want because no matter what they do it will always be considered awful shit by some people/fans/reviewers whatever and is been like this forever to the point there's this whole mythology about their post Vitalogy studio output that isn't that far away from a respectable conspiracy theory. Just look about all those posts by people who refuse to acknowledge someone could genuinely like Riot Act. Mostly trolls or similar but still. There isn't a way for them to age gracefully, be cool or whatever generally speaking even if you and i may agree on what that would be it's irrelevant at the end of the day. If you think about it they could have aged so much worst it's not even funny.

Yeah, I agree with this. We're not all going to be happy, whatever they do. I'm OK being content, I guess, and I'm happy to not feel like I have to jump ship.

harmless wrote:Jeff looks really fucking cool whatever he does.

WtOB? wrote:

harmless wrote:Jeff looks really fucking cool whatever he does.

he's basically black.

Juvenal wrote:I reckon Jeff has the biggest cock in the band.