Red Mosquito

Mickey wrote:I'm going to dip, I think this has played itself out and it feels wrong to keep kicking Josh when it sounds like he's having a rough go of it. I'll only note one final thing: individual misfortune does not in some way disprove systemic inequality. I hope you don't lose your house, Josh. I also know that home ownership is not a reality for the majority of black families, that there's a 30% gap in home ownership between black and white families and that the post civil rights gains in black homeownership were wiped out by the 2007 financial crisis created by GOP policy (and, it should be noted, worsened by Obama's bank-friendly recovery). And there's no way to talk about the destruction of big corporate chains in black neighborhoods without talking about the erosion of black communities by way of this housing crisis from which brands like Target emerged unscathed. So when we talk about a "great economy," we always have to ask, for who, and that question cannot be answered by reflexively pointing to the most recent news item (the mayor is A DEM!) but by a longer and more nuanced causal analysis capable of at least gesturing to the textured complexity of the world.

dimejinky99 wrote:Just a heads up. Rubber bullets are killers and were invented by the British to control those pesky Irish

They have killed and maimed people. And continue to do so it seems.

McParadigm wrote:

PHATJ wrote:Sure. But I’d ask all of you why can’t anything happen without you blaming Trump? Can’t these few cops just be terrible people that deserve to be in prison? Why does everything come down to your outrage against one man that literally had nothing to do with what happened?

A quick search shows the first mention of Donald Trump in all of this to be simple a question about whether he had made any sort of statement yet:

Rangi Guy wrote:Has Trump said anything to condem the cops actions at all?

After that, the conversation around him continues to be about his RESPONSE TO this moment....the lack of leadership, the fetishist war tweets about “the front lines” at the White House. The press conference with nothing to say about it and NO QUESTIONS TAKEN. There is no national event, especially one this traumatic, where the president’s leadership response is irrelevant or above evaluation.

But you can stop arguing that Trump isn’t responsible for this man’s death, because you’re arguing against no one. No one thinks Donald Trump caused the man to die. Everyone is too busy wondering when he’s going to stop responding by stoking the fires of violence and emphasizing the political divide.

Josh. Honestly. No matter what you think of the protesters, I don’t understand how you can look at this and not see the indiscriminate and purposefully escalating reaction by a militarized police force as THE THING right now. They’re shooting at people standing on their porches. They’re macing children. They’re driving cars into crowds, running calm, quiet people over on horseback, targeting journalists, and assaulting nurse’s tents.

Nothing any crowd does justifies armed police escalating nonviolent situations or inflicting willful and indiscriminate harm on people they were sworn to protect, period. The power divide between citizens and cops is too extreme to pretend otherwise.

verb_to_trust wrote:

Strat wrote:Wait did phatj just say that Chauvin was arrested because of trump?

Holy fuck I give up.

Seacrest out.

Trump is the only one who did something: he tweeted about it!

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Mickey wrote:I'm going to dip, I think this has played itself out and it feels wrong to keep kicking Josh when it sounds like he's having a rough go of it. I'll only note one final thing: individual misfortune does not in some way disprove systemic inequality. I hope you don't lose your house, Josh. I also know that home ownership is not a reality for the majority of black families, that there's a 30% gap in home ownership between black and white families and that the post civil rights gains in black homeownership were wiped out by the 2007 financial crisis created by GOP policy (and, it should be noted, worsened by Obama's bank-friendly recovery). And there's no way to talk about the destruction of big corporate chains in black neighborhoods without talking about the erosion of black communities by way of this housing crisis from which brands like Target emerged unscathed. So when we talk about a "great economy," we always have to ask, for who, and that question cannot be answered by reflexively pointing to the most recent news item (the mayor is A DEM!) but by a longer and more nuanced causal analysis capable of at least gesturing to the textured complexity of the world.

for whom

Mickey wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Mickey wrote:I'm going to dip, I think this has played itself out and it feels wrong to keep kicking Josh when it sounds like he's having a rough go of it. I'll only note one final thing: individual misfortune does not in some way disprove systemic inequality. I hope you don't lose your house, Josh. I also know that home ownership is not a reality for the majority of black families, that there's a 30% gap in home ownership between black and white families and that the post civil rights gains in black homeownership were wiped out by the 2007 financial crisis created by GOP policy (and, it should be noted, worsened by Obama's bank-friendly recovery). And there's no way to talk about the destruction of big corporate chains in black neighborhoods without talking about the erosion of black communities by way of this housing crisis from which brands like Target emerged unscathed. So when we talk about a "great economy," we always have to ask, for who, and that question cannot be answered by reflexively pointing to the most recent news item (the mayor is A DEM!) but by a longer and more nuanced causal analysis capable of at least gesturing to the textured complexity of the world.

for whom

Goddamn you Petern

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Mickey wrote:I'm going to dip, I think this has played itself out and it feels wrong to keep kicking Josh when it sounds like he's having a rough go of it. I'll only note one final thing: individual misfortune does not in some way disprove systemic inequality. I hope you don't lose your house, Josh. I also know that home ownership is not a reality for the majority of black families, that there's a 30% gap in home ownership between black and white families and that the post civil rights gains in black homeownership were wiped out by the 2007 financial crisis created by GOP policy (and, it should be noted, worsened by Obama's bank-friendly recovery). And there's no way to talk about the destruction of big corporate chains in black neighborhoods without talking about the erosion of black communities by way of this housing crisis from which brands like Target emerged unscathed. So when we talk about a "great economy," we always have to ask, for who, and that question cannot be answered by reflexively pointing to the most recent news item (the mayor is A DEM!) but by a longer and more nuanced causal analysis capable of at least gesturing to the textured complexity of the world.

for whom

Mickey wrote:A few more horrifying videos from yesterday. Px posted the last one of these in the gun thread but it merits revisiting. "Light em up" makes me absolutely sick.

McParadigm wrote:God, imagine how it would have gone if cops had driven police cruisers directly into that line of raging anti-lockdown machine gun-wavers.

dimejinky99 wrote:Ps from the outside looking in, it seems like the police are the real problem here not the protesters.
It looks like an order has been issued nationwide and the officers on the street are enforcing it with everything they have.
And the order doesn’t at all seem to be ‘keep the peace’ or ‘protect and serve’

Quite the opposite.

pepperwhiteMFC wrote:The alternative would have been to swiftly arrest the officers that murdered George Floyd.

Superblood Wolfmoon wrote:

pepperwhiteMFC wrote:The alternative would have been to swiftly arrest the officers that murdered George Floyd.

pepperwhiteMFC wrote:The alternative would have been to swiftly arrest the officers that murdered George Floyd.