Red Mosquito

McP's right.

And in the two minutes that I've spent really thinking this through, I think Luke being evil is weirder than Vader coming back somehow. I don't like either really, but I could see Vader coming back and working more easily than I could see Luke starting out or even becoming evil in Episode VII.

Well, maybe there could be a cool way to turn Luke over the coarse of the new trilogy. Maybe. I don't know. I have to think about this some more. Sorry to have wasted your time.

Saw this elsewhere and liked it


The more and more I hear of Spoiler:

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Luke going Colonel Kurtz, but not fully gone to the dark side, like it was said, this trilogy will be less "BLACK AND WHITE" and more philosophical. It's possible his "Saving the day but in a bad way" actions are fully justified. If all of the other Jedi and Sith are extinct, THE RULES are pretty much whatever Luke says they are, aren't they? He is the heir apparent to both the Sith order as well as the Jedi if you think about it. He has claim to everything and maybe is such a boss that he's become a bit of both and there isn't all that much distinction. ,

I'd almost be disappointed at this point if it didn't happen, imagine if the young ones had no idea what they were in for ,jesus the dramatic potential for the sequels is almost too good, the concept art seems to all confirm that rumour. For me personally it would be the first time since A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back were the universe was blown wide open and everything is fragile and uncertain, unknown. The characters of the originals, are not Luke, Han and Leia anymore, but they're HAN, LUKE and LEIA and 30 years of collective pop culture glorification and infallibilty later, that's a problem. Nothing pisses me off more than infallible explicit chosen one heroes or families, I much prefer wrong place, wrong time, manage to struggle through and become something more, far more relatable, that's what Luke family was before the prequels, the universe was large,unknowable, dangerous. And this looks all of that

Iif the sequel trilogy really is about "philosophical issues" as George Lucas claimed so long ago, it could depict the debate between utilitarian ethics of the end justifying the means, versus Kant's categorical imperative ethics whereby acts that are wrong are wrong, no matter what the outcome is. If they can pull that off in an action-adventure fantasy story in a way that is palatable FOR CHILDREN, they could produce something really interesting!

Christ it looks amazing anyway, JJ is nailing this so effin hard.

durdencommatyler wrote:And in the two minutes that I've spent really thinking this through, I think Luke being evil is weirder than Vader coming back somehow. I don't like either really, but I could see Vader coming back and working more easily than I could see Luke starting out or even becoming evil in Episode VII.

Well, maybe there could be a cool way to turn Luke over the coarse of the new trilogy. Maybe. I don't know. I have to think about this some more. Sorry to have wasted your time.

Maybe Luke is still struggling with Daddy issues and to figure out why Daddy was such a mean old man, he puts on the mask, and slowly he becomes obsessed with the idea of "Like father, like son"

Episode VII "My Fathers Son"

Did you guys never read "Dark Empire"? I wonder how much is being mined from sources like that.

I kinda dont care if he mines that stuff, as long as he doesnt screw with established canon, like he did with star trek

GRAND ADMIRAL THRAWN OR BUST

Strat wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:And in the two minutes that I've spent really thinking this through, I think Luke being evil is weirder than Vader coming back somehow. I don't like either really, but I could see Vader coming back and working more easily than I could see Luke starting out or even becoming evil in Episode VII.

Well, maybe there could be a cool way to turn Luke over the coarse of the new trilogy. Maybe. I don't know. I have to think about this some more. Sorry to have wasted your time.

Maybe Luke is still struggling with Daddy issues and to figure out why Daddy was such a mean old man, he puts on the mask, and slowly he becomes obsessed with the idea of "Like father, like son"

Episode VII "My Fathers Son"

Can we talk about Star Trek again?

Star trek has 'phasers'

Star wars has blasters.


Star wars wins

dimejinky99 wrote:Star trek has 'phasers'

Star wars has blasters.


Star wars wins

Hey, I'm not knocking Star Wars here.

dimejinky99 wrote:Saw this elsewhere and liked it


The more and more I hear of Spoiler:

Spoiler: show

Luke going Colonel Kurtz, but not fully gone to the dark side, like it was said, this trilogy will be less "BLACK AND WHITE" and more philosophical. It's possible his "Saving the day but in a bad way" actions are fully justified. If all of the other Jedi and Sith are extinct, THE RULES are pretty much whatever Luke says they are, aren't they? He is the heir apparent to both the Sith order as well as the Jedi if you think about it. He has claim to everything and maybe is such a boss that he's become a bit of both and there isn't all that much distinction. ,

Iif the sequel trilogy really is about "philosophical issues" as George Lucas claimed so long ago, it could depict the debate between utilitarian ethics of the end justifying the means, versus Kant's categorical imperative ethics whereby acts that are wrong are wrong, no matter what the outcome is. If they can pull that off in an action-adventure fantasy story in a way that is palatable FOR CHILDREN, they could produce something really interesting!

Christ it looks amazing anyway, JJ is nailing this so effin hard.

Yeah, that could be legit. I'd love to see that kind of thing.

dimejinky99 wrote:I kinda dont care if he mines that stuff, as long as he doesnt screw with established canon, like he did with star trek

Care to explore what you mean by "established canon" here? Because, I mean, that word is pretty fluid in the Star Wars world.

dimejinky99 wrote:Star trek has 'phasers'

Star wars has blasters.


Star wars wins

Star Trek has JJ

Star Wars has JJ

Everybody loses.

McParadigm wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Star trek has 'phasers'

Star wars has blasters.


Star wars wins

Star Trek has JJ

Star Wars has JJ

Everybody loses.

You guys

Pretty much everything called Starsomething is terrible.

Heathen wrote:Pretty much everything called Starsomething is terrible.

Even Star 80?

Heathen wrote:Pretty much everything called Starsomething is terrible.

Starship Troopers?

There is a similar rule for things called _____80, so this has to be the worst thing ever.