Red Mosquito

Ms Harmless wrote:

spike wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:lol

It’s seemed you were talking about consensual sex work.

I am? are you equating monetising something one is good at and people want from them with a "thrill"?

"consent" is an agreement that something happening is appropriate; "we're fucking, with guidelines in place so that neither of us is hurt, and I get paid -- this is fine, we're both getting something we want"

Okay, so people who don’t like sex become sex workers.

I guess getting paid under the table is the only thrill.

spike wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

spike wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:lol

It’s seemed you were talking about consensual sex work.

I am? are you equating monetising something one is good at and people want from them with a "thrill"?

"consent" is an agreement that something happening is appropriate; "we're fucking, with guidelines in place so that neither of us is hurt, and I get paid -- this is fine, we're both getting something we want"

Okay, so people who don’t like sex become sex workers.

I guess getting paid under the table is the only thrill.

I have no idea what you're having trouble understanding here

I'm not saying sex workers never have a good time, I'm saying that being uncontrollably horny isn't usually a motivator for providing the service (even if it's a client's reason for investing in it)

it's a job

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I'm wondering if Bi_3 knows the difference between paying a woman for her time, and rape

Now, I told Bi to play nice. You have to play nice too. No ad hominem attacks.

Thanks, but I don't take anything on RM personally.


And I'll answer if Harmless answers this first so we are sure we are using the same words:


Is giving food to a starving person in exchange for sex "rape" by your definition?

Bi3 is on to something here. I agree with him. Legalizing sex work should be paired with a robust social safety net: single payer health care, clean and safe housing, food assistance, a guaranteed jobs program.

The problem with sex work isn't sex work. It's that capitalism is by nature and design exploitative of everything. That fact just jumps out at us when the work is sex

The Argonaut wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I'm wondering if Bi_3 knows the difference between paying a woman for her time, and rape

Now, I told Bi to play nice. You have to play nice too. No ad hominem attacks.

Thanks, but I don't take anything on RM personally.


And I'll answer if Harmless answers this first so we are sure we are using the same words:


Is giving food to a starving person in exchange for sex "rape" by your definition?

Bi3 is on to something here. I agree with him. Legalizing sex work should be paired with a robust social safety net: single payer health care, clean and safe housing, food assistance, a guaranteed jobs program.

The problem with sex work isn't sex work. It's that capitalism is by nature and design exploitative of everything. That fact just jumps out at us when the work is sex

right, and it's jumping out at him, but leading him to say it shouldn't be legalised

and I'm trying to get at why

Bi_3, no, I don't think that, but let's give sex workers more than a sandwich, yeah?

everyone should have a robust safety net

Ms Harmless wrote:everyone should have a robust safety net

Especially trapeze artists

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all social progress is "utopian fantasy" until it isn't

JuanHamm wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:everyone should have a robust safety net

Especially trapeze artists

exactly

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thread renaming suggestion

"anti-SJWs: gotta catch em all"

Should anything be illegal?

Sure

Ms Harmless wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I'm wondering if Bi_3 knows the difference between paying a woman for her time, and rape

Now, I told Bi to play nice. You have to play nice too. No ad hominem attacks.

Thanks, but I don't take anything on RM personally.


And I'll answer if Harmless answers this first so we are sure we are using the same words:


Is giving food to a starving person in exchange for sex "rape" by your definition?

Bi3 is on to something here. I agree with him. Legalizing sex work should be paired with a robust social safety net: single payer health care, clean and safe housing, food assistance, a guaranteed jobs program.

The problem with sex work isn't sex work. It's that capitalism is by nature and design exploitative of everything. That fact just jumps out at us when the work is sex

right, and it's jumping out at him, but leading him to say it shouldn't be legalised

and I'm trying to get at why

You want to legalize to keep Sally, Jim, and Jane safe while they engage in sex work

I want to keep it illegal to stop market forces from creating 500,000 more Sallys, Jims, and Janes to worry about.

We are not the same.

Ms Harmless wrote: Bi_3, no, I don't think that, but let's give sex workers more than a sandwich, yeah?

And this is where we will have to cut bait on this discussion because I see food-for-sex as an egregious violation of human rights and yes, as rape.

So, as promised, to answer your question, I don't think anyone can know the difference between paying a woman for her time and rape without understanding her life first, otherwise you cannot know if the consent is 'freely given'.

we're definitely not the same, I don't consider sex workers "something to worry about"

Ms Harmless wrote:we're definitely not the same, I don't consider sex workers "something to worry about"

obviously not.

Bi_3 wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I'm wondering if Bi_3 knows the difference between paying a woman for her time, and rape

Now, I told Bi to play nice. You have to play nice too. No ad hominem attacks.

Thanks, but I don't take anything on RM personally.


And I'll answer if Harmless answers this first so we are sure we are using the same words:


Is giving food to a starving person in exchange for sex "rape" by your definition?

Bi3 is on to something here. I agree with him. Legalizing sex work should be paired with a robust social safety net: single payer health care, clean and safe housing, food assistance, a guaranteed jobs program.

The problem with sex work isn't sex work. It's that capitalism is by nature and design exploitative of everything. That fact just jumps out at us when the work is sex

right, and it's jumping out at him, but leading him to say it shouldn't be legalised

and I'm trying to get at why

You want to legalize to keep Sally, Jim, and Jane safe while they engage in sex work

I want to keep it illegal to stop market forces from creating 500,000 more Sallys, Jims, and Janes to worry about.

We are not the same.

Ms Harmless wrote: Bi_3, no, I don't think that, but let's give sex workers more than a sandwich, yeah?

And this is where we will have to cut bait on this discussion because I see food-for-sex as an egregious violation of human rights and yes, as rape.

So, as promised, to answer your question, I don't think anyone can know the difference between paying a woman for her time and rape without understanding her life first, otherwise you cannot know if the consent is 'freely given'.

well, yes you can know; you can ask her, and she can tell you; and if vast amounts of sex workers are campaigning for legalisation but detractors are still thumbing their chins thinking "I guess we'll never know what they want, it's all a mystery", who is really the problem?

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