Red Mosquito

harmless wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

harmless wrote:Thing is, I wouldn't mind BoB's "sound" or aesthetics on the next one, as long as he was willing to take forward some of the more interesting aspects of this album. And I'm just not sure if he will; it seems as if he's desperate to make sure that something with "hit potential" stays on the tracklist. Which is OK, but he seems to think that "hit material" can be judged objectively, and that's dangerous territory. That's when you get formulas.

We may turn out to love it, but not a one of us will ever understand why a new song was dropped in favour of sleeping by myself. This didn't bother me initially but now I'm frustrated and baffled by it as a decision.
And he insisted on it?
Fuck that.

Yeah, he should never have told anyone he pushed it on there. That's gonna anger people. I'm hoping to like it. I find some comfort in the fact that the band weren't happy with Of The Earth. It's conceivable that they just couldn't find a structure for it and didn't think it was good enough as it was.

harmless wrote:Also, pushing average tunes on an album while leaving good ones off is hardly a new problem for PJ. Binaural and Riot Act were both affected by frustrating tracking choices.

harmless wrote:Also, pushing average tunes on an album while leaving good ones off is hardly a new problem for PJ. Binaural and Riot Act were both affected by frustrating tracking choices.

dimejinky99 wrote:

harmless wrote:Thing is, I wouldn't mind BoB's "sound" or aesthetics on the next one, as long as he was willing to take forward some of the more interesting aspects of this album. And I'm just not sure if he will; it seems as if he's desperate to make sure that something with "hit potential" stays on the tracklist. Which is OK, but he seems to think that "hit material" can be judged objectively, and that's dangerous territory. That's when you get formulas.

We may turn out to love it, but not a one of us will ever understand why a new song was dropped in favour of sleeping by myself. This didn't bother me initially but now I'm frustrated and baffled by it as a decision.
And he insisted on it?
Fuck that.

dimejinky99 wrote:

harmless wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

harmless wrote:Thing is, I wouldn't mind BoB's "sound" or aesthetics on the next one, as long as he was willing to take forward some of the more interesting aspects of this album. And I'm just not sure if he will; it seems as if he's desperate to make sure that something with "hit potential" stays on the tracklist. Which is OK, but he seems to think that "hit material" can be judged objectively, and that's dangerous territory. That's when you get formulas.

We may turn out to love it, but not a one of us will ever understand why a new song was dropped in favour of sleeping by myself. This didn't bother me initially but now I'm frustrated and baffled by it as a decision.
And he insisted on it?
Fuck that.

Yeah, he should never have told anyone he pushed it on there. That's gonna anger people. I'm hoping to like it. I find some comfort in the fact that the band weren't happy with Of The Earth. It's conceivable that they just couldn't find a structure for it and didn't think it was good enough as it was.

OTE is very clearly a ST song. My own indifference towards it aside, I really can't imagine it making a record other than a Lost Dogs II type thing.

Thejambi wrote:

harmless wrote:Also, pushing average tunes on an album while leaving good ones off is hardly a new problem for PJ. Binaural and Riot Act were both affected by frustrating tracking choices.

Difference being that we used to be more likely to get the Bsides that were left off.

Release_Me wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

harmless wrote:Thing is, I wouldn't mind BoB's "sound" or aesthetics on the next one, as long as he was willing to take forward some of the more interesting aspects of this album. And I'm just not sure if he will; it seems as if he's desperate to make sure that something with "hit potential" stays on the tracklist. Which is OK, but he seems to think that "hit material" can be judged objectively, and that's dangerous territory. That's when you get formulas.

We may turn out to love it, but not a one of us will ever understand why a new song was dropped in favour of sleeping by myself. This didn't bother me initially but now I'm frustrated and baffled by it as a decision.
And he insisted on it?
Fuck that.

There were supposed to be 11 songs. SBM was merely added. That's what I gathered from the interviews/Q&As.

dimejinky99 wrote:

harmless wrote:Also, pushing average tunes on an album while leaving good ones off is hardly a new problem for PJ. Binaural and Riot Act were both affected by frustrating tracking choices.

Pj have been snatching defeat from the jaws of victory since day one.
The only hint that surprises me is we as fans are still shocked by them doing so.

dimejinky99 wrote:

Release_Me wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

harmless wrote:Thing is, I wouldn't mind BoB's "sound" or aesthetics on the next one, as long as he was willing to take forward some of the more interesting aspects of this album. And I'm just not sure if he will; it seems as if he's desperate to make sure that something with "hit potential" stays on the tracklist. Which is OK, but he seems to think that "hit material" can be judged objectively, and that's dangerous territory. That's when you get formulas.

We may turn out to love it, but not a one of us will ever understand why a new song was dropped in favour of sleeping by myself. This didn't bother me initially but now I'm frustrated and baffled by it as a decision.
And he insisted on it?
Fuck that.

There were supposed to be 11 songs. SBM was merely added. That's what I gathered from the interviews/Q&As.

I hate being a naysayer but that sounded like either a bit of a cop out on BOBs behalf, or him bragging about how much influence and importance he has within the band and their decisions.

Little from column A, little from column B

stip wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

Lowered expectations since 1996!

That is how I feel about every artist I care about. A few classic albums to cement a reputation and a lot of good songs to add to it.


There are only 3 or 4 Tom waits albums ill listen to from start to finish

Rem was the only artist I cared about that had had a huge run of flawless records

harmless wrote:I guess that which ever period you care most about (the beginning or the middle), at least we're all in the same boat. PJ were "classic" for several good albums. Now they're good here and there.

dimejinky99 wrote:It won't be awful, it's a good song that'll live or die on the arrangement and delivery.
Will it be a live staple?

Again, back to what I was saying about this songs being odd fits in a set list context.


Also, I don't think there are actual lyrics to OTE are there?
Certainly In Dublin ed seemed to be mumbling or winging it.
The title doesn't really mean the song will be about that.

Coach wrote:

harmless wrote:I guess that which ever period you care most about (the beginning or the middle), at least we're all in the same boat. PJ were "classic" for several good albums. Now they're good here and there.

There's at least one song on every Pearl Jam record that I really, really like...a lot.

harmless wrote:Yup. The issue is they have no concept of creating an acoustic context for the soft stuff. If they gradually slowed towards something like Just Breathe over the space of a few songs, it'd be OK. But they do stuff like sandwich "Just Breathe" in between "Last Exit" and "Animal."

dimejinky99 wrote:

harmless wrote:Yup. The issue is they have no concept of creating an acoustic context for the soft stuff. If they gradually slowed towards something like Just Breathe over the space of a few songs, it'd be OK. But they do stuff like sandwich "Just Breathe" in between "Last Exit" and "Animal."

This could be seen as corny, but for that breather towards the second half or end of a set,
I think a little acoustic set could be great. It borders on cheesy almost falling into it, but I think the majority of the fans would be into it

harmless wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

harmless wrote:Yup. The issue is they have no concept of creating an acoustic context for the soft stuff. If they gradually slowed towards something like Just Breathe over the space of a few songs, it'd be OK. But they do stuff like sandwich "Just Breathe" in between "Last Exit" and "Animal."

This could be seen as corny, but for that breather towards the second half or end of a set,
I think a little acoustic set could be great. It borders on cheesy almost falling into it, but I think the majority of the fans would be into it

I'd prefer that to their usual jarring mix of genres. Benaroya Hall was perfect.