Red Mosquito

BurtReynolds wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

WtOB? wrote:It just took them longer to realise it sucked cos they're a little slow.

Most of the board was ecstatic about Backspacer when it came out. It was received well. That's what the word "reception" means: how it was received, not where it stands after being processed over a period of four years of relative inactivity.

great post. And the "inactivity" part too....i really want more new music from them, but to say they were inactive all these years...

People are still processing backspacer? I thought it was left for dead by now. It was received well, if by received well you mean people tried to convince themselves it was good after the first couple of listens.

Stip excluded obviously.

It's one thing to say you didn't like Backspacer, it's another to speak for a whole community. I once calculated on here that something like only 0.5% (at best) of PJ's hardcore fanbase is represented on RM. Even if it's a predominant opinion on one forum (and I'm not really sure that it is) it's only a small portion of the hardcore fanbase (not to mention all of the other fans).

Tuolumne wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

WtOB? wrote:It just took them longer to realise it sucked cos they're a little slow.

Most of the board was ecstatic about Backspacer when it came out. It was received well. That's what the word "reception" means: how it was received, not where it stands after being processed over a period of four years of relative inactivity.

great post. And the "inactivity" part too....i really want more new music from them, but to say they were inactive all these years...

People are still processing backspacer? I thought it was left for dead by now. It was received well, if by received well you mean people tried to convince themselves it was good after the first couple of listens.

Stip excluded obviously.

It's one thing to say you didn't like Backspacer, it's another to speak for a whole community. I once calculated on here that something like only 0.5% (at best) of PJ's hardcore fanbase is represented on RM. Even if it's a predominant opinion on one forum (and I'm not really sure that it is) it's only a small portion of the hardcore fanbase (not to mention all of the other fans).

And what happened with BS was that a lot of people who didnt care about PJ listened to the record. I remember some friends of mine actually buying the album.

Tuolumne wrote:I once calculated on here that something like only 0.5% (at best) of PJ's hardcore fanbase is represented on RM

Honest question: How do you even begin to come up with a statistic like this?

I'll back up stip (but I'm immortal).

I like Backspacer. I think it's good.

Of course that's all relative - I'd put it in the bottom 2 of their catalogue, but I certainly find plenty of enjoyment in it.

It's been bashed into oblivion more for the long layoff and lack of context than for being a complete dud.

Kevin Davis wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I once calculated on here that something like only 0.5% (at best) of PJ's hardcore fanbase is represented on RM

Honest question: How do you even begin to come up with a statistic like this?

do you think he uses math?

Kevin Davis wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I once calculated on here that something like only 0.5% (at best) of PJ's hardcore fanbase is represented on RM

Honest question: How do you even begin to come up with a statistic like this?

Easy - look up how many people are members of the board. Estimate how many hardcore fans exist. Numerator/Denominator.

I used very very very safe estimates. I'd estimate there's something like 50,000 "hardcore" fans. The kind of fans who go to multiple shows, collect bootlegs, etc. I base this off of things like: how many people buy an EV solo release in the first week of release (US sold about 70k, ITW about 35k). How many of those bought on the first day (if you know anything about record sales, it's often something like half of the first full week total). You can also take into account how many people bought backspacer in the first week (189K) and therefore how many on the very first day. Or, how many people bought the PJ20 soundtrack? How many bought Live on 10 legs? How many buy the DVD's? Shit like that. It's just an estimate and I think if you average the above factors out, 50k is pretty safe. Yeah yeah, I know people download, but the ones who would seek out and find a board like RM are ones who buy, atleast that's what I think and opinions could differ. But I really don't think I'm that far off, I built in a pretty good cushion so if anythng 0.5% is on the high side, not even counting people that register but don't post on RM. Truthfully, I thnk it's more like 0.1% or 0.2%. And that's talking only hardcore fans. You facotr in "other" fans who buy later in the first week or after, or just download, or just buy an album once in awhile and like the shows when they come around, then even 0.1% is a massive stretch.

And I'm not trying to diminish RM here, I post here myself, but it's just a little perspective. It's just one crumb of the fanbase.

How dare you suggest I don't speak for the whole community!

evenslow wrote:I'll back up stip (but I'm immortal).

I like Backspacer. I think it's good.

Of course that's all relative - I'd put it in the bottom 2 of their catalogue, but I certainly find plenty of enjoyment in it.

It's been bashed into oblivion more for the long layoff and lack of context than for being a complete dud.

I'll back you up on that. I think Stereogum's assessment a few months ago was not bad and not too far off of mine (although I'd def rank yield higher than riot act). I put Backspacer in the middle of their catalogue. I dig it, and it adds a new more easygoing fun dimension to them that didn't exist before.

Tuolumne wrote:

evenslow wrote:I'll back up stip (but I'm immortal).

I like Backspacer. I think it's good.

Of course that's all relative - I'd put it in the bottom 2 of their catalogue, but I certainly find plenty of enjoyment in it.

It's been bashed into oblivion more for the long layoff and lack of context than for being a complete dud.

I'll back you up on that. I think Stereogum's assessment a few months ago was not bad and not too far off of mine (although I'd def rank yield higher than riot act). I put Backspacer in the middle of their catalogue. I dig it, and it adds a new more easygoing fun dimension to them that didn't exist before.

yeah, its a really good record, and for me its in the bottom of the list. It has aged very well but the main problem is there havent been new releases so far...that´s the real shame.

evenslow wrote:Thank Christ for Moonlander.

That's how bad it's got, in four words.

Tuolumne wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I once calculated on here that something like only 0.5% (at best) of PJ's hardcore fanbase is represented on RM

Honest question: How do you even begin to come up with a statistic like this?

Easy - look up how many people are members of the board. Estimate how many hardcore fans exist. Numerator/Denominator.

I used very very very safe estimates. I'd estimate there's something like 50,000 "hardcore" fans. The kind of fans who go to multiple shows, collect bootlegs, etc. I base this off of things like: how many people buy an EV solo release in the first week of release (US sold about 70k, ITW about 35k). How many of those bought on the first day (if you know anything about record sales, it's often something like half of the first full week total). You can also take into account how many people bought backspacer in the first week (189K) and therefore how many on the very first day. Or, how many people bought the PJ20 soundtrack? How many bought Live on 10 legs? How many buy the DVD's? Shit like that. It's just an estimate and I think if you average the above factors out, 50k is pretty safe. Yeah yeah, I know people download, but the ones who would seek out and find a board like RM are ones who buy, atleast that's what I think and opinions could differ. But I really don't think I'm that far off, I built in a pretty good cushion so if anythng 0.5% is on the high side, not even counting people that register but don't post on RM. Truthfully, I thnk it's more like 0.1% or 0.2%. And that's talking only hardcore fans. You facotr in "other" fans who buy later in the first week or after, or just download, or just buy an album once in awhile and like the shows when they come around, then even 0.1% is a massive stretch.

And I'm not trying to diminish RM here, I post here myself, but it's just a little perspective. It's just one crumb of the fanbase.

Oh! Well, that's cool then. Thanks for providing the workpapers for your calculations. For a minute there I thought you may have been providing arbritary statistics from out of your arse...

Varis wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I once calculated on here that something like only 0.5% (at best) of PJ's hardcore fanbase is represented on RM

Honest question: How do you even begin to come up with a statistic like this?

Easy - look up how many people are members of the board. Estimate how many hardcore fans exist. Numerator/Denominator.

I used very very very safe estimates. I'd estimate there's something like 50,000 "hardcore" fans. The kind of fans who go to multiple shows, collect bootlegs, etc. I base this off of things like: how many people buy an EV solo release in the first week of release (US sold about 70k, ITW about 35k). How many of those bought on the first day (if you know anything about record sales, it's often something like half of the first full week total). You can also take into account how many people bought backspacer in the first week (189K) and therefore how many on the very first day. Or, how many people bought the PJ20 soundtrack? How many bought Live on 10 legs? How many buy the DVD's? Shit like that. It's just an estimate and I think if you average the above factors out, 50k is pretty safe. Yeah yeah, I know people download, but the ones who would seek out and find a board like RM are ones who buy, atleast that's what I think and opinions could differ. But I really don't think I'm that far off, I built in a pretty good cushion so if anythng 0.5% is on the high side, not even counting people that register but don't post on RM. Truthfully, I thnk it's more like 0.1% or 0.2%. And that's talking only hardcore fans. You facotr in "other" fans who buy later in the first week or after, or just download, or just buy an album once in awhile and like the shows when they come around, then even 0.1% is a massive stretch.

And I'm not trying to diminish RM here, I post here myself, but it's just a little perspective. It's just one crumb of the fanbase.

Oh! Well, that's cool then. Thanks for providing the workpapers for your calculations. For a minute there I thought you may have been providing arbritary statistics from out of your arse...

I think election polls are usually based on less.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Varis wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I once calculated on here that something like only 0.5% (at best) of PJ's hardcore fanbase is represented on RM

Honest question: How do you even begin to come up with a statistic like this?

Easy - look up how many people are members of the board. Estimate how many hardcore fans exist. Numerator/Denominator.

I used very very very safe estimates. I'd estimate there's something like 50,000 "hardcore" fans. The kind of fans who go to multiple shows, collect bootlegs, etc. I base this off of things like: how many people buy an EV solo release in the first week of release (US sold about 70k, ITW about 35k). How many of those bought on the first day (if you know anything about record sales, it's often something like half of the first full week total). You can also take into account how many people bought backspacer in the first week (189K) and therefore how many on the very first day. Or, how many people bought the PJ20 soundtrack? How many bought Live on 10 legs? How many buy the DVD's? Shit like that. It's just an estimate and I think if you average the above factors out, 50k is pretty safe. Yeah yeah, I know people download, but the ones who would seek out and find a board like RM are ones who buy, atleast that's what I think and opinions could differ. But I really don't think I'm that far off, I built in a pretty good cushion so if anythng 0.5% is on the high side, not even counting people that register but don't post on RM. Truthfully, I thnk it's more like 0.1% or 0.2%. And that's talking only hardcore fans. You facotr in "other" fans who buy later in the first week or after, or just download, or just buy an album once in awhile and like the shows when they come around, then even 0.1% is a massive stretch.

And I'm not trying to diminish RM here, I post here myself, but it's just a little perspective. It's just one crumb of the fanbase.

Oh! Well, that's cool then. Thanks for providing the workpapers for your calculations. For a minute there I thought you may have been providing arbritary statistics from out of your arse...

I think election polls are usually based on less.

You're missing the point. The point is that this is just a small sliver of the fanbase. YOu want to estimate a larger hardcore fanbase? Smaller? It will change the total number by less than half of a percent. The point, again, is: RM is a very very very small portion of the PJ fanbase. So don't think any predominant opinion (if there is one) is representative of the PJ fanbase. Crap on my figures all you want, but you might be missing the overall point...... ah fuck it, this is how I get myself into trouble around here ......

Tuolumne wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I once calculated on here that something like only 0.5% (at best) of PJ's hardcore fanbase is represented on RM

Honest question: How do you even begin to come up with a statistic like this?

Easy - look up how many people are members of the board. Estimate how many hardcore fans exist. Numerator/Denominator.

I used very very very safe estimates. I'd estimate there's something like 50,000 "hardcore" fans. The kind of fans who go to multiple shows, collect bootlegs, etc. I base this off of things like: how many people buy an EV solo release in the first week of release (US sold about 70k, ITW about 35k). How many of those bought on the first day (if you know anything about record sales, it's often something like half of the first full week total). You can also take into account how many people bought backspacer in the first week (189K) and therefore how many on the very first day. Or, how many people bought the PJ20 soundtrack? How many bought Live on 10 legs? How many buy the DVD's? Shit like that. It's just an estimate and I think if you average the above factors out, 50k is pretty safe. Yeah yeah, I know people download, but the ones who would seek out and find a board like RM are ones who buy, atleast that's what I think and opinions could differ. But I really don't think I'm that far off, I built in a pretty good cushion so if anythng 0.5% is on the high side, not even counting people that register but don't post on RM. Truthfully, I thnk it's more like 0.1% or 0.2%. And that's talking only hardcore fans. You facotr in "other" fans who buy later in the first week or after, or just download, or just buy an album once in awhile and like the shows when they come around, then even 0.1% is a massive stretch.

And I'm not trying to diminish RM here, I post here myself, but it's just a little perspective. It's just one crumb of the fanbase.

hi

Tuolumne wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Varis wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I once calculated on here that something like only 0.5% (at best) of PJ's hardcore fanbase is represented on RM

Honest question: How do you even begin to come up with a statistic like this?

Easy - look up how many people are members of the board. Estimate how many hardcore fans exist. Numerator/Denominator.

I used very very very safe estimates. I'd estimate there's something like 50,000 "hardcore" fans. The kind of fans who go to multiple shows, collect bootlegs, etc. I base this off of things like: how many people buy an EV solo release in the first week of release (US sold about 70k, ITW about 35k). How many of those bought on the first day (if you know anything about record sales, it's often something like half of the first full week total). You can also take into account how many people bought backspacer in the first week (189K) and therefore how many on the very first day. Or, how many people bought the PJ20 soundtrack? How many bought Live on 10 legs? How many buy the DVD's? Shit like that. It's just an estimate and I think if you average the above factors out, 50k is pretty safe. Yeah yeah, I know people download, but the ones who would seek out and find a board like RM are ones who buy, atleast that's what I think and opinions could differ. But I really don't think I'm that far off, I built in a pretty good cushion so if anythng 0.5% is on the high side, not even counting people that register but don't post on RM. Truthfully, I thnk it's more like 0.1% or 0.2%. And that's talking only hardcore fans. You facotr in "other" fans who buy later in the first week or after, or just download, or just buy an album once in awhile and like the shows when they come around, then even 0.1% is a massive stretch.

And I'm not trying to diminish RM here, I post here myself, but it's just a little perspective. It's just one crumb of the fanbase.

Oh! Well, that's cool then. Thanks for providing the workpapers for your calculations. For a minute there I thought you may have been providing arbritary statistics from out of your arse...

I think election polls are usually based on less.

You're missing the point. The point is that this is just a small sliver of the fanbase. YOu want to estimate a larger hardcore fanbase? Smaller? It will change the total number by less than half of a percent. The point, again, is: RM is a very very very small portion of the PJ fanbase. So don't think any predominant opinion (if there is one) is representative of the PJ fanbase. Crap on my figures all you want, but you might be missing the overall point...... ah fuck it, this is how I get myself into trouble around here ......

I personally appreciate this columbo type shit.

evenslow wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Varis wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:I once calculated on here that something like only 0.5% (at best) of PJ's hardcore fanbase is represented on RM

Honest question: How do you even begin to come up with a statistic like this?

Easy - look up how many people are members of the board. Estimate how many hardcore fans exist. Numerator/Denominator.

I used very very very safe estimates. I'd estimate there's something like 50,000 "hardcore" fans. The kind of fans who go to multiple shows, collect bootlegs, etc. I base this off of things like: how many people buy an EV solo release in the first week of release (US sold about 70k, ITW about 35k). How many of those bought on the first day (if you know anything about record sales, it's often something like half of the first full week total). You can also take into account how many people bought backspacer in the first week (189K) and therefore how many on the very first day. Or, how many people bought the PJ20 soundtrack? How many bought Live on 10 legs? How many buy the DVD's? Shit like that. It's just an estimate and I think if you average the above factors out, 50k is pretty safe. Yeah yeah, I know people download, but the ones who would seek out and find a board like RM are ones who buy, atleast that's what I think and opinions could differ. But I really don't think I'm that far off, I built in a pretty good cushion so if anythng 0.5% is on the high side, not even counting people that register but don't post on RM. Truthfully, I thnk it's more like 0.1% or 0.2%. And that's talking only hardcore fans. You facotr in "other" fans who buy later in the first week or after, or just download, or just buy an album once in awhile and like the shows when they come around, then even 0.1% is a massive stretch.

And I'm not trying to diminish RM here, I post here myself, but it's just a little perspective. It's just one crumb of the fanbase.

Oh! Well, that's cool then. Thanks for providing the workpapers for your calculations. For a minute there I thought you may have been providing arbritary statistics from out of your arse...

I think election polls are usually based on less.

You're missing the point. The point is that this is just a small sliver of the fanbase. YOu want to estimate a larger hardcore fanbase? Smaller? It will change the total number by less than half of a percent. The point, again, is: RM is a very very very small portion of the PJ fanbase. So don't think any predominant opinion (if there is one) is representative of the PJ fanbase. Crap on my figures all you want, but you might be missing the overall point...... ah fuck it, this is how I get myself into trouble around here ......

I personally appreciate this columbo type shit.

Thanks. I knew I was sticking my neck out a little there, before I start getting crapped on. Here we go.......

every time i see the "new post" icon illuminated for this thread, about 2% of me is excited that someone actually has posted new information on the album. i live in constant disappointment on this board.

bodysnatcher wrote:every time i see the "new post" icon illuminated for this thread, about 2% of me is excited that someone actually has posted new information on the album. i live in constant disappointment on this board.

Me too, bodysnatcher. Me too.

harmless wrote:

bodysnatcher wrote:every time i see the "new post" icon illuminated for this thread, about 2% of me is excited that someone actually has posted new information on the album. i live in constant disappointment on this board.

Me too, bodysnatcher. Me too.

harmless wrote:

bodysnatcher wrote:every time i see the "new post" icon illuminated for this thread, about 2% of me is excited that someone actually has posted new information on the album. i live in constant disappointment on this board.

Me too, bodysnatcher. Me too.

I'm not sure what it's going to take for the two a youz to lower your expectations at this point. Maybe when we get to 200 pages you'll see this thread for what it really is: a swampy morass masterminded by Boom to slowly eat away at Pearl Jam's fanbase, leading to band breakup and finally Eddie all to himself on a quiet Hawaiian atoll.