Red Mosquito

macphisto wrote:

pepperwhiteMFC wrote:

macphisto wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

macphisto wrote:

pepperwhiteMFC wrote:

macphisto wrote:

pepperwhiteMFC wrote:The alternative would have been to swiftly arrest the officers that murdered George Floyd.

Chauvin was arrested and charged Friday, and Minneapolis still burned that night. More charges are likely coming. Justice is a process and it takes time. Had the four officers been bound and released to the mob to be beaten, tortured, and killed, I’m not convinced that would have satisfied them.

This is what a few hundred years of systemic racism gets us. Poor us, so victimized by riots.

I don’t believe burning down people’s businesses is going to fix a broken system or make people more symapathetic to the plight of the helpless and oppressed, but ok.

Give us some of your big ideas then

I didn’t claim to have the answer, but I’m pretty sure it’s not total anarchy and burning down cities. I’ve seen multiple people, especially women, with ABOLISH THE POLICE signs. I don’t think they’ve given much thought to what that would look like.

How do you think we solve this?

More police departments could follow this lead:

Heartwarming! Can’t help but notice he still had his gun, though, just waiting for an opportunity to violate someone’s rights.

It’s easy to join a peaceful rally while there’s still daylight, but an angry mob bent on destruction and chaos is another story. Maybe the Minneapolis police chief and mayor could have gone out and broken some store windows and set some fires to show how cool they are.

Do you think cynicism will help reform things?

I used to think like macphisto--abolish the police? Who will you call if someone tries to rape you?!. But leaving aside countless examples of heinous treatment of sexual assault survivors by the cops (who are sometimes abusers themselves), the point of police abolition (or prison abolition, for that matter) is not the wholesale abandonment of law and regulation in favor of generalized anarchy. It's a recognition that the institutions we call "police" and "prison" are relatively new creations, historically speaking, dating from less than 300 years ago and with a specific relationship to things like "property" and "justice." The easiest way to say it is that police abolition is a call to reimagine how we keep our local communities safe in such a radical way that whatever the result is, we wouldn't call it "police." Defunding and disarming cops to any degree is a step in this direction.

pepperwhiteMFC wrote:

macphisto wrote:

pepperwhiteMFC wrote:

macphisto wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

macphisto wrote:

pepperwhiteMFC wrote:

macphisto wrote:

pepperwhiteMFC wrote:The alternative would have been to swiftly arrest the officers that murdered George Floyd.

Chauvin was arrested and charged Friday, and Minneapolis still burned that night. More charges are likely coming. Justice is a process and it takes time. Had the four officers been bound and released to the mob to be beaten, tortured, and killed, I’m not convinced that would have satisfied them.

This is what a few hundred years of systemic racism gets us. Poor us, so victimized by riots.

I don’t believe burning down people’s businesses is going to fix a broken system or make people more symapathetic to the plight of the helpless and oppressed, but ok.

Give us some of your big ideas then

I didn’t claim to have the answer, but I’m pretty sure it’s not total anarchy and burning down cities. I’ve seen multiple people, especially women, with ABOLISH THE POLICE signs. I don’t think they’ve given much thought to what that would look like.

How do you think we solve this?

More police departments could follow this lead:

Heartwarming! Can’t help but notice he still had his gun, though, just waiting for an opportunity to violate someone’s rights.

It’s easy to join a peaceful rally while there’s still daylight, but an angry mob bent on destruction and chaos is another story. Maybe the Minneapolis police chief and mayor could have gone out and broken some store windows and set some fires to show how cool they are.

Do you think cynicism will help reform things?

Sorry, that seems to be the primary language spoken in this thread. When in Rome...

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE.

macphisto wrote:

pepperwhiteMFC wrote:

macphisto wrote:

pepperwhiteMFC wrote:

macphisto wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

macphisto wrote:

pepperwhiteMFC wrote:

macphisto wrote:

pepperwhiteMFC wrote:The alternative would have been to swiftly arrest the officers that murdered George Floyd.

Chauvin was arrested and charged Friday, and Minneapolis still burned that night. More charges are likely coming. Justice is a process and it takes time. Had the four officers been bound and released to the mob to be beaten, tortured, and killed, I’m not convinced that would have satisfied them.

This is what a few hundred years of systemic racism gets us. Poor us, so victimized by riots.

I don’t believe burning down people’s businesses is going to fix a broken system or make people more symapathetic to the plight of the helpless and oppressed, but ok.

Give us some of your big ideas then

I didn’t claim to have the answer, but I’m pretty sure it’s not total anarchy and burning down cities. I’ve seen multiple people, especially women, with ABOLISH THE POLICE signs. I don’t think they’ve given much thought to what that would look like.

How do you think we solve this?

More police departments could follow this lead:

Heartwarming! Can’t help but notice he still had his gun, though, just waiting for an opportunity to violate someone’s rights.

It’s easy to join a peaceful rally while there’s still daylight, but an angry mob bent on destruction and chaos is another story. Maybe the Minneapolis police chief and mayor could have gone out and broken some store windows and set some fires to show how cool they are.

Do you think cynicism will help reform things?

Sorry, that seems to be the primary language spoken in this thread. When in Rome...

It’s ok. I know.

Mickey wrote:I used to think like macphisto--abolish the police? Who will you call if someone tries to rape you?!. But leaving aside countless examples of heinous treatment of sexual assault survivors by the cops (who are sometimes abusers themselves), the point of police abolition (or prison abolition, for that matter) is not the wholesale abandonment of law and regulation in favor of generalized anarchy. It's a recognition that the institutions we call "police" and "prison" are relatively new creations, historically speaking, dating from less than 300 years ago and with a specific relationship to things like "property" and "justice." The easiest way to say it is that police abolition is a call to reimagine how we keep our local communities safe in such a radical way that whatever the result is, we wouldn't call it "police." Defunding and disarming cops to any degree is a step in this direction.

Sounds neat, but it’s all very theoretical. How would it actually work?

Say you’re walking a few blocks to your car after dining out when you’re suddenly accosted by a group of ruffians who relieve you of your phone and wallet, and then beat the shit out of you just for fun. There has been a rash of these incidents in the area, all with a similar MO. You got a good look at the guys. Who do you call?

How about a single mother with young children who is awakened in the middle of the night by people trying to get into the house. She doesn’t have a gun because she doesn’t believe in violence, but suddenly it’s at her front door. What does she do?

digster wrote:THEY'RE EVERYWHERE.

PHATJ is going to be devastated.

They really couldn't have been clearer.

macphisto wrote:

Mickey wrote:I used to think like macphisto--abolish the police? Who will you call if someone tries to rape you?!. But leaving aside countless examples of heinous treatment of sexual assault survivors by the cops (who are sometimes abusers themselves), the point of police abolition (or prison abolition, for that matter) is not the wholesale abandonment of law and regulation in favor of generalized anarchy. It's a recognition that the institutions we call "police" and "prison" are relatively new creations, historically speaking, dating from less than 300 years ago and with a specific relationship to things like "property" and "justice." The easiest way to say it is that police abolition is a call to reimagine how we keep our local communities safe in such a radical way that whatever the result is, we wouldn't call it "police." Defunding and disarming cops to any degree is a step in this direction.

Sounds neat, but it’s all very theoretical. How would it actually work?

Say you’re walking a few blocks to your car after dining out when you’re suddenly accosted by a group of ruffians who relieve you of your phone and wallet, and then beat the shit out of you just for fun. There has been a rash of these incidents in the area, all with a similar MO. You got a good look at the guys. Who do you call?

How about a single mother with young children who is awakened in the middle of the night by people trying to get into the house. She doesn’t have a gun because she doesn’t believe in violence, but suddenly it’s at her front door. What does she do?

If you're not going to bother reading my post carefully I'm certainly not going to respond to yours bubba. Try again.

As much as I love all this back and forth, maybe we’d all be better taking a moment or two and listen to other voices. Voices not on RM.

surfndestroy wrote:As much as I love all this back and forth, maybe we’d all be better taking a moment or two and listen to other voices. Voices not on RM.

How do we get them to post here though

Superblood Wolfmoon wrote:

macphisto wrote:How do you think we solve this?

verb_to_trust wrote:Let's start with demilitarization of law enforcement.

They can’t keep their cool shaking down one man, how can we assume they’ll stay calm amidst a riot. De-escalation training be damned. They’re simply too dangerous.

spike wrote:

Superblood Wolfmoon wrote:

macphisto wrote:How do you think we solve this?

verb_to_trust wrote:Let's start with demilitarization of law enforcement.

They can’t keep their cool shaking down one man, how can we assume they’ll stay calm amidst a riot. De-escalation training be damned. They’re simply too dangerous.

I think Metro cops in Louisville make like 35k. Imagine the type of psycho that takes a job there? You'd have to be pretty thirsty for "action".

I have off work tomorrow because I'm working downtown now.

Looks like another night of heavy drinking and Final Fantasy VII Remake for me.

This racist “country” has been fucked from the start. I still have a shred of hope for real change, but most likely the corporate overlords in charge won’t let it happen. Lest they make a few less dollars every day.

McParadigm wrote:

You say you want bigger vehicles and bigger crowds? I've got you covered:

Jesus Christ, tear gas being used downtown here in small Wilmington, NC.