worldwithyourheart wrote:I'm sure these guys are set for life, but don't make it out as if they are filthy rich. They're not. Do you think Boom is? What about the roadies, 10C staff, etc. Maybe the band wants to keep the machine going because they feel obligated and care about the people who have helped them.
I could just read this all day long.
you think you know and like to speculate and criticize, but you really have no idea in the end.
Holy shit. I *do* like to speculate and criticize! I like the living SHIT out of it!
How did you do that? Do you...I mean...are you spying on me?
you get good at that stuff after a few thousand posts. it's good that McParadigm spends a lot of his free time here instead of working like a money grabbing dog.
I just want to compliment you on your nice caps, italics, boldness, and friendly attitude here...
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 5:00 pm
by Tuolumne
theplatypus wrote:The entire premise of Tuolumne
Hilarious. The reason I don't take that to heart is that I've never even travelled overnight to see the band (been to about 10 shows overall). Versus some of the most vigilant critics around here have been to like 80+ shows and have invested like a year's salary total on the band. But I am still def in the fun sex phase of the relationship......
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 5:06 pm
by malice
worldwithyourheart wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
worldwithyourheart wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
worldwithyourheart wrote:I'm sure these guys are set for life, but don't make it out as if they are filthy rich. They're not. Do you think Boom is? What about the roadies, 10C staff, etc. Maybe the band wants to keep the machine going because they feel obligated and care about the people who have helped them.
I could just read this all day long.
you think you know and like to speculate and criticize, but you really have no idea in the end.
Holy shit. I *do* like to speculate and criticize! I like the living SHIT out of it!
How did you do that? Do you...I mean...are you spying on me?
would that make you feel better about yourself?
fuck mcp, it's made me feel better about myself, and really, that's all that matters.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 5:35 pm
by given2trade
Tuolumne wrote:
theplatypus wrote:The entire premise of Tuolumne
Hilarious. The reason I don't take that to heart is that I've never even travelled overnight to see the band (been to about 10 shows overall). Versus some of the most vigilant critics around here have been to like 80+ shows and have invested like a year's salary total on the band. But I am still def in the fun sex phase of the relationship......
Dude do you know how much money I make? I have not spent a years salary seeing the band. In fact, I give more to charity...oh nevermind.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 5:36 pm
by BurtReynolds
CopperTom wrote:I liked it better when I considered RM the realistic point of view rather than the negative point of view.
realistic=negative. One and the same, my friend!
cashgrab does sound better, but its far too late to change now. We've already cracked 100 pages!
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 5:56 pm
by McParadigm
worldwithyourheart wrote:
McParadigm wrote:How did you do that? Do you...I mean...are you spying on me?
would that make you feel better about yourself?
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 6:22 pm
by CopperTom
BurtReynolds wrote:
CopperTom wrote:I liked it better when I considered RM the realistic point of view rather than the negative point of view.
realistic=negative. One and the same, my friend!
I think RM in general loses track of the following fact: the only constant in this world is change. As a result, X is bad because it's not like it used to be. Or PJ at one time liked or disliked Y and now they don't so that shows they sold out.
How many people act the same as 5 years ago? Can you remember what stance you took on an issue? Would you expect to be held to it today?
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 6:25 pm
by Jorge
Nobody is contesting "change". They're contesting a shitty change.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 6:31 pm
by CopperTom
theplatypus wrote:Nobody is contesting "change". They're contesting a shitty change.
Really? No one dislikes change around here? We must be on different versions of RM.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 6:33 pm
by Jorge
Show me.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 6:36 pm
by CopperTom
theplatypus wrote:Show me.
Forums.theskyiscrape.com
Can you show where change has been embraced?
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 6:39 pm
by Lament
CopperTom wrote:
theplatypus wrote:Show me.
Forums.theskyiscrape.com
Can you show where change has been embraced?
Dave A. being replaced by Jack.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 6:40 pm
by Jorge
CopperTom wrote:
theplatypus wrote:Show me.
Forums.theskyiscrape.com
Can you show where change has been embraced?
Can you prove that people are just virulently opposed to the general concept of change rather than simply thinking latter-day Pearl Jam's particular brand of change has been for the worse?
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 6:42 pm
by CopperTom
Lament wrote:
CopperTom wrote:
theplatypus wrote:Show me.
Forums.theskyiscrape.com
Can you show where change has been embraced?
Dave A. being replaced by Jack.
That was 20 years ago. RM wasn't born yet.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 6:43 pm
by Lament
That's still a change that took place that is embraced.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 6:45 pm
by BurtReynolds
For Copper's benefit, lets list all the positive changes PJ has undergone in the past ten years. I'll start:
1. um.... uh...
ok someone else start.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 6:48 pm
by CopperTom
theplatypus wrote:
CopperTom wrote:
theplatypus wrote:Show me.
Forums.theskyiscrape.com
Can you show where change has been embraced?
Can you prove that people are just virulently opposed to the general concept of change rather than simply thinking latter-day Pearl Jam's particular brand of change has been for the worse?
Doesn't any comparison to Dave A era Pearl Jam prove my point? A try at comparing 2014 PJ to 1994 PJ is a try at grasping at straws. Wanting greatness - fine. Wanting the details at what made them great 20 years ago shows refusal to accept the concept of change.
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 6:51 pm
by BurtReynolds
CopperTom wrote:
theplatypus wrote:
CopperTom wrote:
theplatypus wrote:Show me.
Forums.theskyiscrape.com
Can you show where change has been embraced?
Can you prove that people are just virulently opposed to the general concept of change rather than simply thinking latter-day Pearl Jam's particular brand of change has been for the worse?
Doesn't any comparison to Dave A era Pearl Jam prove my point? A try at comparing 2014 PJ to 1994 PJ is a try at grasping at straws. Wanting greatness - fine. Wanting the details at what made them great 20 years ago shows refusal to accept the concept of change.
i don't...what?
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 6:51 pm
by CopperTom
BurtReynolds wrote:For Copper's benefit, lets list all the positive changes PJ has undergone in the past ten years. I'll start:
1. um.... uh...
ok someone else start.
Unarguable:
Digital music
Lossless alternatives
HD FLAC alternatives
Arguable:
Lottery system
The return of GA
Merchandise
Public persona
Re: Post-Riot Act Moneygrab
Posted: Mon April 14, 2014 6:53 pm
by Jorge
CopperTom wrote:
Doesn't any comparison to Dave A era Pearl Jam prove my point?
No.
CopperTom wrote: A try at comparing 2014 PJ to 1994 PJ is a try at grasping at straws. Wanting greatness - fine. Wanting the details at what made them great 20 years ago shows refusal to accept the concept of change.
This doesn't address my question, and it doesn't make your argument any less fallacious. Please sit down.
