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lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

tree_ wrote:

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

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lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

tree_ wrote:

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

tree_ wrote:About half of Her last night. Bed time sneaked upon me. Very sad, fascinating. I love when the future is done well in movies. This is the prettiest dystopia. The minuscule levels at which people engage one another in this society is freaky. Most freakily because it's happening to us more and more as our dependence on technology increases. And AI is coming soon. The AI MUST have ulterior motives. "She" tells him everything he wants/needs to hear. It's horrific. I've seen it a few times before but it's been a long while. Gonna have to finish this soon.

it’s woe is me storytelling at its finest

See, that's the thing. It isn't "woe is me". It's that AI is so much smarter than people. It's basically a sci-fi horror movie disguised as a Kaufman-esque rom-com. Not a pity party. The main character is kind of pitiful, but he's pretty normal. This is where society is heading. It's a warning.

i really don’t get the pity party evaluation of Kaufman’s characters...it doesn’t feel like that’s what he was going for at all

Name one main character of his that is not a pitiful wreck of a poor excuse of a human.

what i mean is we’re not supposed to pity them necessarily and that’s not really the point of their characters...Joel in ESOTSM is not one though

Joel is too. But yeah, it feels like the entire point of his movies is "life is too hard let's cry about it" to me. Don't get me wrong, I've loved every one of his movies to the point of near obsession at times in my life. They can be great. It's just that, like trag, I'm at a point in my life where I'd just rather focus on things that feel more worthwhile. Inspirational, beautiful, fascinating stuff that doesn't focus on the universe being the vacuous, pointless, torturous hell hole it can feel like at times. When you watch Charlie Kaufman the person in interviews you can tell he has a really hard time. His phobias and torments are his characters', clearly.

i get that you’d rather focus on other things than what you feel with his works, but I just disagree on what you’re calling the point of his movies...despite the elements that may lead to someone feeling empty I still find a lot of beauty and life in his works, and completely fascinating

VinylGuy wrote:

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:mission impossible 2 is playing while I “work” from the couch...i really don’t like this movie

yeah, that one is the worst. I might rewatch it someday...that one is the only one i saw just once.

tree_ wrote:

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

tree_ wrote:

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

tree_ wrote:

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

tree_ wrote:

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

tree_ wrote:About half of Her last night. Bed time sneaked upon me. Very sad, fascinating. I love when the future is done well in movies. This is the prettiest dystopia. The minuscule levels at which people engage one another in this society is freaky. Most freakily because it's happening to us more and more as our dependence on technology increases. And AI is coming soon. The AI MUST have ulterior motives. "She" tells him everything he wants/needs to hear. It's horrific. I've seen it a few times before but it's been a long while. Gonna have to finish this soon.

it’s woe is me storytelling at its finest

See, that's the thing. It isn't "woe is me". It's that AI is so much smarter than people. It's basically a sci-fi horror movie disguised as a Kaufman-esque rom-com. Not a pity party. The main character is kind of pitiful, but he's pretty normal. This is where society is heading. It's a warning.

i really don’t get the pity party evaluation of Kaufman’s characters...it doesn’t feel like that’s what he was going for at all

Name one main character of his that is not a pitiful wreck of a poor excuse of a human.

what i mean is we’re not supposed to pity them necessarily and that’s not really the point of their characters...Joel in ESOTSM is not one though

Joel is too. But yeah, it feels like the entire point of his movies is "life is too hard let's cry about it" to me. Don't get me wrong, I've loved every one of his movies to the point of near obsession at times in my life. They can be great. It's just that, like trag, I'm at a point in my life where I'd just rather focus on things that feel more worthwhile. Inspirational, beautiful, fascinating stuff that doesn't focus on the universe being the vacuous, pointless, torturous hell hole it can feel like at times. When you watch Charlie Kaufman the person in interviews you can tell he has a really hard time. His phobias and torments are his characters', clearly.

i get that you’d rather focus on other things than what you feel with his works, but I just disagree on what you’re calling the point of his movies...despite the elements that may lead to someone feeling empty I still find a lot of beauty and life in his works, and completely fascinating

Look at the themes. They are all dealing with loneliness, pointlessness, listlessness, hopelessness, etc.

tree_ wrote:I don't know what he intended. I only know what's on screen. If Charlie Kaufman didn't have all these issues, I don't know if he'd write, because he hasn't written anything that isn't about his problems. He tried with Adaptation but hilariously that too ended up being about him and his problems.

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

tree_ wrote:I don't know what he intended. I only know what's on screen. If Charlie Kaufman didn't have all these issues, I don't know if he'd write, because he hasn't written anything that isn't about his problems. He tried with Adaptation but hilariously that too ended up being about him and his problems.

that was kind of a brilliant way to meld multiple worlds/levels...but it’s actually about his real life twin brother Donald

tree_ wrote:

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

tree_ wrote:I don't know what he intended. I only know what's on screen. If Charlie Kaufman didn't have all these issues, I don't know if he'd write, because he hasn't written anything that isn't about his problems. He tried with Adaptation but hilariously that too ended up being about him and his problems.

that was kind of a brilliant way to meld multiple worlds/levels...but it’s actually about his real life twin brother Donald

It was the only way he could make the story compelling, in his own words. And no, Donald is fictional.

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

tree_ wrote:

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

tree_ wrote:I don't know what he intended. I only know what's on screen. If Charlie Kaufman didn't have all these issues, I don't know if he'd write, because he hasn't written anything that isn't about his problems. He tried with Adaptation but hilariously that too ended up being about him and his problems.

that was kind of a brilliant way to meld multiple worlds/levels...but it’s actually about his real life twin brother Donald

It was the only way he could make the story compelling, in his own words. And no, Donald is fictional.

nope he’s real...i haven’t read the book but from what i surmise what he did is way more interesting than anything he could have created from that book

tree_ wrote:

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

tree_ wrote:

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

tree_ wrote:I don't know what he intended. I only know what's on screen. If Charlie Kaufman didn't have all these issues, I don't know if he'd write, because he hasn't written anything that isn't about his problems. He tried with Adaptation but hilariously that too ended up being about him and his problems.

that was kind of a brilliant way to meld multiple worlds/levels...but it’s actually about his real life twin brother Donald

It was the only way he could make the story compelling, in his own words. And no, Donald is fictional.

nope he’s real...i haven’t read the book but from what i surmise what he did is way more interesting than anything he could have created from that book

Fictional. He set out to adapt the book into a screenplay. He failed. But I agree this is more interesting coming from him because this is what he does (best). He can't make a story interesting without his sad shtick.

tree_ wrote:What's your source?

VinylGuy wrote:All this Kaufman talk..did you guys know his new movie will be on Netflix in about two weeks?

The book is based on is wonderful.

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:All this Kaufman talk..did you guys know his new movie will be on Netflix in about two weeks?

The book is based on is wonderful.

what are your thoughts on his works?