Transgender Rights

[Ms Harmless]

It amazes me that one can think they are both marginalized and in a position to dictate terms. Either you control the positions of power and don't need to negotiate, or you don't. Holding both beliefs seems like a will to self-destruction.

you don't like marginalised people telling you how things are or should be?

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It amazes me that one can think they are both marginalized and in a position to dictate terms

again, the point is not to be ideologically coherent; the point is to accrue and exercise power (interpersonal and institutional)

hypocrisy and inconsistency is irrelevant, the left understands that life is a morality play. operating this way is why they have so thoroughly won the culture war

stop using their frame, stop engaging them in good faith

[Ms Harmless]

now, as for teaching kids that "both sides" of every single subject on the planet are right and good and neutral, that's bullshit; there is nothing wrong with taking a definite stand on things, there is everything wrong with taking the wrong, hateful stand

I do not know the best way to teach kids or what the appropriate age for subjects are. I was just stating that it’s reasonable for parents to argue And disagree because it is so complicated and nuanced

1. you're absolutely right, you don't

2. it isn't

1. You don’t either

2. Yes it is

excellent, highly intelligent responses to a trans woman with lived experience and 10+ years of hands-on experience of the subject

You just told me recently that peoples’ realities are different. If this is so, perhaps an individual student’s subjective experience might be relevant to what is their best, most effective curriculum. In other words what works for one person probably doesn’t work for everybody else to the same degree.

how does this relate to telling children they are allowed to explore their gender and it's healthy to do so? sure, there are many different ways to teach an overarching principle! that's a question of learning style, experience, etc.; but I'm not going to agree that telling any child "sorry, I don't mean you, you're NOT allowed to explore your gender because your mommy will sue the school if I let you" is right

Perhaps there is more than one way to educate and raise a child. Maybe we should be open to all possibilities. Maybe your way isn’t the best way. Maybe it is. I don’t know. And neither do you, because each child is different.

stop writing vague, non-committal bullshit that means nothing and helps nobody; stop assuming nobody knows shit about any of this just because you don't

Imagine potential opposing world views that don’t completely align with eachother that are somehow equally legitimate, it’s easy if you try.

transphobia and trans-acceptance?

equally legitimate? I just want to make sure that's definitely what you're saying

No I’m being more vague than that because the spectrum is so vast.

you're being more vague than that because you're thick as pig shit

[Ms Harmless]

It amazes me that one can think they are both marginalized and in a position to dictate terms

again, the point is not to be ideologically coherent; the point is to accrue and exercise power (interpersonal and institutional)

hypocrisy and inconsistency is irrelevant, the left understands that life is a morality play. operating this way is why the left has so thoroughly won the culture war

stop using their frame, stop engaging them in good faith

it's incredible that you equate "literally knowing what the hell I'm talking about" with "having systemic power"

[BurtReynolds]

All is will to power and nothing besides.

[tree_]

now, as for teaching kids that "both sides" of every single subject on the planet are right and good and neutral, that's bullshit; there is nothing wrong with taking a definite stand on things, there is everything wrong with taking the wrong, hateful stand

I do not know the best way to teach kids or what the appropriate age for subjects are. I was just stating that it’s reasonable for parents to argue And disagree because it is so complicated and nuanced

1. you're absolutely right, you don't

2. it isn't

1. You don’t either

2. Yes it is

excellent, highly intelligent responses to a trans woman with lived experience and 10+ years of hands-on experience of the subject

You just told me recently that peoples’ realities are different. If this is so, perhaps an individual student’s subjective experience might be relevant to what is their best, most effective curriculum. In other words what works for one person probably doesn’t work for everybody else to the same degree.

how does this relate to telling children they are allowed to explore their gender and it's healthy to do so? sure, there are many different ways to teach an overarching principle! that's a question of learning style, experience, etc.; but I'm not going to agree that telling any child "sorry, I don't mean you, you're NOT allowed to explore your gender because your mommy will sue the school if I let you" is right

Perhaps there is more than one way to educate and raise a child. Maybe we should be open to all possibilities. Maybe your way isn’t the best way. Maybe it is. I don’t know. And neither do you, because each child is different.

stop writing vague, non-committal bullshit that means nothing and helps nobody; stop assuming nobody knows shit about any of this just because you don't

Imagine potential opposing world views that don’t completely align with eachother that are somehow equally legitimate, it’s easy if you try.

transphobia and trans-acceptance?

equally legitimate? I just want to make sure that's definitely what you're saying

No I’m being more vague than that because the spectrum is so vast.

you're being more vague than that because you're thick as pig shit

Talk about intelligent responses!

[Ms Harmless]

I guess in your world that's what happens though right? people know things, they get to rule! meritocracy!!!!

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It amazes me that one can think they are both marginalized and in a position to dictate terms

again, the point is not to be ideologically coherent; the point is to accrue and exercise power (interpersonal and institutional)

hypocrisy and inconsistency is irrelevant, the left understands that life is a morality play. operating this way is why the left has so thoroughly won the culture war

stop using their frame, stop engaging them in good faith

it's incredible that you equate "literally knowing what the hell I'm talking about" with "having systemic power"

[Ms Harmless]

now, as for teaching kids that "both sides" of every single subject on the planet are right and good and neutral, that's bullshit; there is nothing wrong with taking a definite stand on things, there is everything wrong with taking the wrong, hateful stand

I do not know the best way to teach kids or what the appropriate age for subjects are. I was just stating that it’s reasonable for parents to argue And disagree because it is so complicated and nuanced

1. you're absolutely right, you don't

2. it isn't

1. You don’t either

2. Yes it is

excellent, highly intelligent responses to a trans woman with lived experience and 10+ years of hands-on experience of the subject

You just told me recently that peoples’ realities are different. If this is so, perhaps an individual student’s subjective experience might be relevant to what is their best, most effective curriculum. In other words what works for one person probably doesn’t work for everybody else to the same degree.

how does this relate to telling children they are allowed to explore their gender and it's healthy to do so? sure, there are many different ways to teach an overarching principle! that's a question of learning style, experience, etc.; but I'm not going to agree that telling any child "sorry, I don't mean you, you're NOT allowed to explore your gender because your mommy will sue the school if I let you" is right

Perhaps there is more than one way to educate and raise a child. Maybe we should be open to all possibilities. Maybe your way isn’t the best way. Maybe it is. I don’t know. And neither do you, because each child is different.

stop writing vague, non-committal bullshit that means nothing and helps nobody; stop assuming nobody knows shit about any of this just because you don't

Imagine potential opposing world views that don’t completely align with eachother that are somehow equally legitimate, it’s easy if you try.

transphobia and trans-acceptance?

equally legitimate? I just want to make sure that's definitely what you're saying

No I’m being more vague than that because the spectrum is so vast.

you're being more vague than that because you're thick as pig shit

Talk about intelligent responses!

it was direct, it had a clear meaning; insults aren't necessarily without intelligence

[BurtReynolds]

Perhaps if there was more literature that explored the functional role of olfactory and vomeronasal receptor genes that are expressed in the brain, we could solve a lot of problems. This is the holy grail that Jorge was after. And we shunned him for it.

[Ms Harmless]

It amazes me that one can think they are both marginalized and in a position to dictate terms

again, the point is not to be ideologically coherent; the point is to accrue and exercise power (interpersonal and institutional)

hypocrisy and inconsistency is irrelevant, the left understands that life is a morality play. operating this way is why the left has so thoroughly won the culture war

stop using their frame, stop engaging them in good faith

it's incredible that you equate "literally knowing what the hell I'm talking about" with "having systemic power"

this is the president's house, not mine

[Ms Harmless]

"the president says he supports you (along with my country!), you are evil and hungry for power!"

[tree_]

now, as for teaching kids that "both sides" of every single subject on the planet are right and good and neutral, that's bullshit; there is nothing wrong with taking a definite stand on things, there is everything wrong with taking the wrong, hateful stand

I do not know the best way to teach kids or what the appropriate age for subjects are. I was just stating that it’s reasonable for parents to argue And disagree because it is so complicated and nuanced

1. you're absolutely right, you don't

2. it isn't

1. You don’t either

2. Yes it is

excellent, highly intelligent responses to a trans woman with lived experience and 10+ years of hands-on experience of the subject

You just told me recently that peoples’ realities are different. If this is so, perhaps an individual student’s subjective experience might be relevant to what is their best, most effective curriculum. In other words what works for one person probably doesn’t work for everybody else to the same degree.

how does this relate to telling children they are allowed to explore their gender and it's healthy to do so? sure, there are many different ways to teach an overarching principle! that's a question of learning style, experience, etc.; but I'm not going to agree that telling any child "sorry, I don't mean you, you're NOT allowed to explore your gender because your mommy will sue the school if I let you" is right

Perhaps there is more than one way to educate and raise a child. Maybe we should be open to all possibilities. Maybe your way isn’t the best way. Maybe it is. I don’t know. And neither do you, because each child is different.

stop writing vague, non-committal bullshit that means nothing and helps nobody; stop assuming nobody knows shit about any of this just because you don't

Imagine potential opposing world views that don’t completely align with eachother that are somehow equally legitimate, it’s easy if you try.

transphobia and trans-acceptance?

equally legitimate? I just want to make sure that's definitely what you're saying

No I’m being more vague than that because the spectrum is so vast.

you're being more vague than that because you're thick as pig shit

Talk about intelligent responses!

it was direct, it had a clear meaning; insults aren't necessarily without intelligence

[Ms Harmless]

now, as for teaching kids that "both sides" of every single subject on the planet are right and good and neutral, that's bullshit; there is nothing wrong with taking a definite stand on things, there is everything wrong with taking the wrong, hateful stand

I do not know the best way to teach kids or what the appropriate age for subjects are. I was just stating that it’s reasonable for parents to argue And disagree because it is so complicated and nuanced

1. you're absolutely right, you don't

2. it isn't

1. You don’t either

2. Yes it is

excellent, highly intelligent responses to a trans woman with lived experience and 10+ years of hands-on experience of the subject

You just told me recently that peoples’ realities are different. If this is so, perhaps an individual student’s subjective experience might be relevant to what is their best, most effective curriculum. In other words what works for one person probably doesn’t work for everybody else to the same degree.

how does this relate to telling children they are allowed to explore their gender and it's healthy to do so? sure, there are many different ways to teach an overarching principle! that's a question of learning style, experience, etc.; but I'm not going to agree that telling any child "sorry, I don't mean you, you're NOT allowed to explore your gender because your mommy will sue the school if I let you" is right

Perhaps there is more than one way to educate and raise a child. Maybe we should be open to all possibilities. Maybe your way isn’t the best way. Maybe it is. I don’t know. And neither do you, because each child is different.

stop writing vague, non-committal bullshit that means nothing and helps nobody; stop assuming nobody knows shit about any of this just because you don't

Imagine potential opposing world views that don’t completely align with eachother that are somehow equally legitimate, it’s easy if you try.

transphobia and trans-acceptance?

equally legitimate? I just want to make sure that's definitely what you're saying

No I’m being more vague than that because the spectrum is so vast.

you're being more vague than that because you're thick as pig shit

Talk about intelligent responses!

it was direct, it had a clear meaning; insults aren't necessarily without intelligence

what are the options on your "vast spectrum" of equal validity?

[Ms Harmless]

I want you to tell me something you think instead of finding 5000 ways to tell me you don't have to think anything because it's "all so vast"

[E.H. Ruddock]

hypocrisy and inconsistency is irrelevant

Would you say this statement only applies to the left?

[tree_]

now, as for teaching kids that "both sides" of every single subject on the planet are right and good and neutral, that's bullshit; there is nothing wrong with taking a definite stand on things, there is everything wrong with taking the wrong, hateful stand

I do not know the best way to teach kids or what the appropriate age for subjects are. I was just stating that it’s reasonable for parents to argue And disagree because it is so complicated and nuanced

1. you're absolutely right, you don't

2. it isn't

1. You don’t either

2. Yes it is

excellent, highly intelligent responses to a trans woman with lived experience and 10+ years of hands-on experience of the subject

You just told me recently that peoples’ realities are different. If this is so, perhaps an individual student’s subjective experience might be relevant to what is their best, most effective curriculum. In other words what works for one person probably doesn’t work for everybody else to the same degree.

how does this relate to telling children they are allowed to explore their gender and it's healthy to do so? sure, there are many different ways to teach an overarching principle! that's a question of learning style, experience, etc.; but I'm not going to agree that telling any child "sorry, I don't mean you, you're NOT allowed to explore your gender because your mommy will sue the school if I let you" is right

Perhaps there is more than one way to educate and raise a child. Maybe we should be open to all possibilities. Maybe your way isn’t the best way. Maybe it is. I don’t know. And neither do you, because each child is different.

stop writing vague, non-committal bullshit that means nothing and helps nobody; stop assuming nobody knows shit about any of this just because you don't

Imagine potential opposing world views that don’t completely align with eachother that are somehow equally legitimate, it’s easy if you try.

transphobia and trans-acceptance?

equally legitimate? I just want to make sure that's definitely what you're saying

No I’m being more vague than that because the spectrum is so vast.

you're being more vague than that because you're thick as pig shit

Talk about intelligent responses!

it was direct, it had a clear meaning; insults aren't necessarily without intelligence

what are the options on your "vast spectrum" of equal validity?

If it doesn’t interfere with others’ validity within reason, it is valid

[Ms Harmless]

now, as for teaching kids that "both sides" of every single subject on the planet are right and good and neutral, that's bullshit; there is nothing wrong with taking a definite stand on things, there is everything wrong with taking the wrong, hateful stand

I do not know the best way to teach kids or what the appropriate age for subjects are. I was just stating that it’s reasonable for parents to argue And disagree because it is so complicated and nuanced

1. you're absolutely right, you don't

2. it isn't

1. You don’t either

2. Yes it is

excellent, highly intelligent responses to a trans woman with lived experience and 10+ years of hands-on experience of the subject

You just told me recently that peoples’ realities are different. If this is so, perhaps an individual student’s subjective experience might be relevant to what is their best, most effective curriculum. In other words what works for one person probably doesn’t work for everybody else to the same degree.

how does this relate to telling children they are allowed to explore their gender and it's healthy to do so? sure, there are many different ways to teach an overarching principle! that's a question of learning style, experience, etc.; but I'm not going to agree that telling any child "sorry, I don't mean you, you're NOT allowed to explore your gender because your mommy will sue the school if I let you" is right

Perhaps there is more than one way to educate and raise a child. Maybe we should be open to all possibilities. Maybe your way isn’t the best way. Maybe it is. I don’t know. And neither do you, because each child is different.

stop writing vague, non-committal bullshit that means nothing and helps nobody; stop assuming nobody knows shit about any of this just because you don't

Imagine potential opposing world views that don’t completely align with eachother that are somehow equally legitimate, it’s easy if you try.

transphobia and trans-acceptance?

equally legitimate? I just want to make sure that's definitely what you're saying

No I’m being more vague than that because the spectrum is so vast.

you're being more vague than that because you're thick as pig shit

Talk about intelligent responses!

it was direct, it had a clear meaning; insults aren't necessarily without intelligence

what are the options on your "vast spectrum" of equal validity?

If it doesn’t interfere with others’ validity within reason, it is valid

give me examples

[Ms Harmless]

it sounds like you want transphobia to co-exist with trans-acceptance as long as neither position compromises the freedom of the other

[tree_]

it sounds like you want transphobia to co-exist with trans-acceptance as long as neither position compromises the freedom of the other

There are many ways to raise a child even within a specific ideology. You can only know which is the most effective for each child by use of psychic powers.