Red Mosquito

BurtReynolds wrote:It amazes me that one can think they are both marginalized and in a position to dictate terms. Either you control the positions of power and don't need to negotiate, or you don't. Holding both beliefs seems like a will to self-destruction.

BurtReynolds wrote:It amazes me that one can think they are both marginalized and in a position to dictate terms

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Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

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Ms Harmless wrote:now, as for teaching kids that "both sides" of every single subject on the planet are right and good and neutral, that's bullshit; there is nothing wrong with taking a definite stand on things, there is everything wrong with taking the wrong, hateful stand

I do not know the best way to teach kids or what the appropriate age for subjects are. I was just stating that it’s reasonable for parents to argue And disagree because it is so complicated and nuanced

1. you're absolutely right, you don't

2. it isn't

1. You don’t either

2. Yes it is

excellent, highly intelligent responses to a trans woman with lived experience and 10+ years of hands-on experience of the subject

You just told me recently that peoples’ realities are different. If this is so, perhaps an individual student’s subjective experience might be relevant to what is their best, most effective curriculum. In other words what works for one person probably doesn’t work for everybody else to the same degree.

how does this relate to telling children they are allowed to explore their gender and it's healthy to do so? sure, there are many different ways to teach an overarching principle! that's a question of learning style, experience, etc.; but I'm not going to agree that telling any child "sorry, I don't mean you, you're NOT allowed to explore your gender because your mommy will sue the school if I let you" is right

Perhaps there is more than one way to educate and raise a child. Maybe we should be open to all possibilities. Maybe your way isn’t the best way. Maybe it is. I don’t know. And neither do you, because each child is different.

stop writing vague, non-committal bullshit that means nothing and helps nobody; stop assuming nobody knows shit about any of this just because you don't

Imagine potential opposing world views that don’t completely align with eachother that are somehow equally legitimate, it’s easy if you try.

transphobia and trans-acceptance?

equally legitimate? I just want to make sure that's definitely what you're saying

No I’m being more vague than that because the spectrum is so vast.

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BurtReynolds wrote:It amazes me that one can think they are both marginalized and in a position to dictate terms

again, the point is not to be ideologically coherent; the point is to accrue and exercise power (interpersonal and institutional)

hypocrisy and inconsistency is irrelevant, the left understands that life is a morality play. operating this way is why the left has so thoroughly won the culture war

stop using their frame, stop engaging them in good faith

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:now, as for teaching kids that "both sides" of every single subject on the planet are right and good and neutral, that's bullshit; there is nothing wrong with taking a definite stand on things, there is everything wrong with taking the wrong, hateful stand

I do not know the best way to teach kids or what the appropriate age for subjects are. I was just stating that it’s reasonable for parents to argue And disagree because it is so complicated and nuanced

1. you're absolutely right, you don't

2. it isn't

1. You don’t either

2. Yes it is

excellent, highly intelligent responses to a trans woman with lived experience and 10+ years of hands-on experience of the subject

You just told me recently that peoples’ realities are different. If this is so, perhaps an individual student’s subjective experience might be relevant to what is their best, most effective curriculum. In other words what works for one person probably doesn’t work for everybody else to the same degree.

how does this relate to telling children they are allowed to explore their gender and it's healthy to do so? sure, there are many different ways to teach an overarching principle! that's a question of learning style, experience, etc.; but I'm not going to agree that telling any child "sorry, I don't mean you, you're NOT allowed to explore your gender because your mommy will sue the school if I let you" is right

Perhaps there is more than one way to educate and raise a child. Maybe we should be open to all possibilities. Maybe your way isn’t the best way. Maybe it is. I don’t know. And neither do you, because each child is different.

stop writing vague, non-committal bullshit that means nothing and helps nobody; stop assuming nobody knows shit about any of this just because you don't

Imagine potential opposing world views that don’t completely align with eachother that are somehow equally legitimate, it’s easy if you try.

transphobia and trans-acceptance?

equally legitimate? I just want to make sure that's definitely what you're saying

No I’m being more vague than that because the spectrum is so vast.

you're being more vague than that because you're thick as pig shit

Ms Harmless wrote:

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BurtReynolds wrote:It amazes me that one can think they are both marginalized and in a position to dictate terms

again, the point is not to be ideologically coherent; the point is to accrue and exercise power (interpersonal and institutional)

hypocrisy and inconsistency is irrelevant, the left understands that life is a morality play. operating this way is why the left has so thoroughly won the culture war

stop using their frame, stop engaging them in good faith

it's incredible that you equate "literally knowing what the hell I'm talking about" with "having systemic power"

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:now, as for teaching kids that "both sides" of every single subject on the planet are right and good and neutral, that's bullshit; there is nothing wrong with taking a definite stand on things, there is everything wrong with taking the wrong, hateful stand

I do not know the best way to teach kids or what the appropriate age for subjects are. I was just stating that it’s reasonable for parents to argue And disagree because it is so complicated and nuanced

1. you're absolutely right, you don't

2. it isn't

1. You don’t either

2. Yes it is

excellent, highly intelligent responses to a trans woman with lived experience and 10+ years of hands-on experience of the subject

You just told me recently that peoples’ realities are different. If this is so, perhaps an individual student’s subjective experience might be relevant to what is their best, most effective curriculum. In other words what works for one person probably doesn’t work for everybody else to the same degree.

how does this relate to telling children they are allowed to explore their gender and it's healthy to do so? sure, there are many different ways to teach an overarching principle! that's a question of learning style, experience, etc.; but I'm not going to agree that telling any child "sorry, I don't mean you, you're NOT allowed to explore your gender because your mommy will sue the school if I let you" is right

Perhaps there is more than one way to educate and raise a child. Maybe we should be open to all possibilities. Maybe your way isn’t the best way. Maybe it is. I don’t know. And neither do you, because each child is different.

stop writing vague, non-committal bullshit that means nothing and helps nobody; stop assuming nobody knows shit about any of this just because you don't

Imagine potential opposing world views that don’t completely align with eachother that are somehow equally legitimate, it’s easy if you try.

transphobia and trans-acceptance?

equally legitimate? I just want to make sure that's definitely what you're saying

No I’m being more vague than that because the spectrum is so vast.

you're being more vague than that because you're thick as pig shit

Talk about intelligent responses!

--- wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

--- wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:It amazes me that one can think they are both marginalized and in a position to dictate terms

again, the point is not to be ideologically coherent; the point is to accrue and exercise power (interpersonal and institutional)

hypocrisy and inconsistency is irrelevant, the left understands that life is a morality play. operating this way is why the left has so thoroughly won the culture war

stop using their frame, stop engaging them in good faith

it's incredible that you equate "literally knowing what the hell I'm talking about" with "having systemic power"

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:now, as for teaching kids that "both sides" of every single subject on the planet are right and good and neutral, that's bullshit; there is nothing wrong with taking a definite stand on things, there is everything wrong with taking the wrong, hateful stand

I do not know the best way to teach kids or what the appropriate age for subjects are. I was just stating that it’s reasonable for parents to argue And disagree because it is so complicated and nuanced

1. you're absolutely right, you don't

2. it isn't

1. You don’t either

2. Yes it is

excellent, highly intelligent responses to a trans woman with lived experience and 10+ years of hands-on experience of the subject

You just told me recently that peoples’ realities are different. If this is so, perhaps an individual student’s subjective experience might be relevant to what is their best, most effective curriculum. In other words what works for one person probably doesn’t work for everybody else to the same degree.

how does this relate to telling children they are allowed to explore their gender and it's healthy to do so? sure, there are many different ways to teach an overarching principle! that's a question of learning style, experience, etc.; but I'm not going to agree that telling any child "sorry, I don't mean you, you're NOT allowed to explore your gender because your mommy will sue the school if I let you" is right

Perhaps there is more than one way to educate and raise a child. Maybe we should be open to all possibilities. Maybe your way isn’t the best way. Maybe it is. I don’t know. And neither do you, because each child is different.

stop writing vague, non-committal bullshit that means nothing and helps nobody; stop assuming nobody knows shit about any of this just because you don't

Imagine potential opposing world views that don’t completely align with eachother that are somehow equally legitimate, it’s easy if you try.

transphobia and trans-acceptance?

equally legitimate? I just want to make sure that's definitely what you're saying

No I’m being more vague than that because the spectrum is so vast.

you're being more vague than that because you're thick as pig shit

Talk about intelligent responses!

it was direct, it had a clear meaning; insults aren't necessarily without intelligence

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:now, as for teaching kids that "both sides" of every single subject on the planet are right and good and neutral, that's bullshit; there is nothing wrong with taking a definite stand on things, there is everything wrong with taking the wrong, hateful stand

I do not know the best way to teach kids or what the appropriate age for subjects are. I was just stating that it’s reasonable for parents to argue And disagree because it is so complicated and nuanced

1. you're absolutely right, you don't

2. it isn't

1. You don’t either

2. Yes it is

excellent, highly intelligent responses to a trans woman with lived experience and 10+ years of hands-on experience of the subject

You just told me recently that peoples’ realities are different. If this is so, perhaps an individual student’s subjective experience might be relevant to what is their best, most effective curriculum. In other words what works for one person probably doesn’t work for everybody else to the same degree.

how does this relate to telling children they are allowed to explore their gender and it's healthy to do so? sure, there are many different ways to teach an overarching principle! that's a question of learning style, experience, etc.; but I'm not going to agree that telling any child "sorry, I don't mean you, you're NOT allowed to explore your gender because your mommy will sue the school if I let you" is right

Perhaps there is more than one way to educate and raise a child. Maybe we should be open to all possibilities. Maybe your way isn’t the best way. Maybe it is. I don’t know. And neither do you, because each child is different.

stop writing vague, non-committal bullshit that means nothing and helps nobody; stop assuming nobody knows shit about any of this just because you don't

Imagine potential opposing world views that don’t completely align with eachother that are somehow equally legitimate, it’s easy if you try.

transphobia and trans-acceptance?

equally legitimate? I just want to make sure that's definitely what you're saying

No I’m being more vague than that because the spectrum is so vast.

you're being more vague than that because you're thick as pig shit

Talk about intelligent responses!

it was direct, it had a clear meaning; insults aren't necessarily without intelligence

--- wrote:
hypocrisy and inconsistency is irrelevant

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:now, as for teaching kids that "both sides" of every single subject on the planet are right and good and neutral, that's bullshit; there is nothing wrong with taking a definite stand on things, there is everything wrong with taking the wrong, hateful stand

I do not know the best way to teach kids or what the appropriate age for subjects are. I was just stating that it’s reasonable for parents to argue And disagree because it is so complicated and nuanced

1. you're absolutely right, you don't

2. it isn't

1. You don’t either

2. Yes it is

excellent, highly intelligent responses to a trans woman with lived experience and 10+ years of hands-on experience of the subject

You just told me recently that peoples’ realities are different. If this is so, perhaps an individual student’s subjective experience might be relevant to what is their best, most effective curriculum. In other words what works for one person probably doesn’t work for everybody else to the same degree.

how does this relate to telling children they are allowed to explore their gender and it's healthy to do so? sure, there are many different ways to teach an overarching principle! that's a question of learning style, experience, etc.; but I'm not going to agree that telling any child "sorry, I don't mean you, you're NOT allowed to explore your gender because your mommy will sue the school if I let you" is right

Perhaps there is more than one way to educate and raise a child. Maybe we should be open to all possibilities. Maybe your way isn’t the best way. Maybe it is. I don’t know. And neither do you, because each child is different.

stop writing vague, non-committal bullshit that means nothing and helps nobody; stop assuming nobody knows shit about any of this just because you don't

Imagine potential opposing world views that don’t completely align with eachother that are somehow equally legitimate, it’s easy if you try.

transphobia and trans-acceptance?

equally legitimate? I just want to make sure that's definitely what you're saying

No I’m being more vague than that because the spectrum is so vast.

you're being more vague than that because you're thick as pig shit

Talk about intelligent responses!

it was direct, it had a clear meaning; insults aren't necessarily without intelligence

what are the options on your "vast spectrum" of equal validity?

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:now, as for teaching kids that "both sides" of every single subject on the planet are right and good and neutral, that's bullshit; there is nothing wrong with taking a definite stand on things, there is everything wrong with taking the wrong, hateful stand

I do not know the best way to teach kids or what the appropriate age for subjects are. I was just stating that it’s reasonable for parents to argue And disagree because it is so complicated and nuanced

1. you're absolutely right, you don't

2. it isn't

1. You don’t either

2. Yes it is

excellent, highly intelligent responses to a trans woman with lived experience and 10+ years of hands-on experience of the subject

You just told me recently that peoples’ realities are different. If this is so, perhaps an individual student’s subjective experience might be relevant to what is their best, most effective curriculum. In other words what works for one person probably doesn’t work for everybody else to the same degree.

how does this relate to telling children they are allowed to explore their gender and it's healthy to do so? sure, there are many different ways to teach an overarching principle! that's a question of learning style, experience, etc.; but I'm not going to agree that telling any child "sorry, I don't mean you, you're NOT allowed to explore your gender because your mommy will sue the school if I let you" is right

Perhaps there is more than one way to educate and raise a child. Maybe we should be open to all possibilities. Maybe your way isn’t the best way. Maybe it is. I don’t know. And neither do you, because each child is different.

stop writing vague, non-committal bullshit that means nothing and helps nobody; stop assuming nobody knows shit about any of this just because you don't

Imagine potential opposing world views that don’t completely align with eachother that are somehow equally legitimate, it’s easy if you try.

transphobia and trans-acceptance?

equally legitimate? I just want to make sure that's definitely what you're saying

No I’m being more vague than that because the spectrum is so vast.

you're being more vague than that because you're thick as pig shit

Talk about intelligent responses!

it was direct, it had a clear meaning; insults aren't necessarily without intelligence

what are the options on your "vast spectrum" of equal validity?

If it doesn’t interfere with others’ validity within reason, it is valid

Ms Harmless wrote:it sounds like you want transphobia to co-exist with trans-acceptance as long as neither position compromises the freedom of the other