This is all very sensible but I'm not. I haven't anticipated a PJ album like this since... the last time I did.durdencommatyler wrote:I'm going to try and take this thing one song at a time and keep any specific expectations out of it. The wait will be hard enough without me fucking it up and making it harder.
So far, MYM is good enough that it proves to me this guys still have tricks up their sleeve. They can still do this thing and affect me. My expectations go no further than: I expect a good album.
Maybe after another single or two... but right now, I'm just trying to enjoy MYM and not think too hard about the rest of it.
Song of the Moment: Mind Your Manners
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durdencommatyler wrote:I'm going to try and take this thing one song at a time and keep any specific expectations out of it. The wait will be hard enough without me fucking it up and making it harder.
So far, MYM is good enough that it proves to me this guys still have tricks up their sleeve. They can still do this thing and affect me. My expectations go no further than: I expect a good album.
Maybe after another single or two... but right now, I'm just trying to enjoy MYM and not think too hard about the rest of it.
Bingo.
Or should I say Boingo?
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Despite being cynic and now old, instinct and central nervous system are still working. Mind Your Manners reminded me what I really miss from that band, in the sentimental field. The instant,direct almost primitive sensation of intimacy and enthusiasm and the illusion of understanding. Last time I got that from the first listen was "Parachutes"( I dislike most of the eponymous). Technicalities on M.Y.M. such as how I find the solo totally unnecessary or the production is to "clean" for my taste etc, wouldn't have mattered,at least not in the first listen, if the song wasn't based in the after Riot Act typical pj blueprint. The ''punk'' renewal is unidentifiable to me because of the lack of the above elements, so no comparison with S.T.B.C.
I liked the Soundgarden vibe and the Comatose reference is qute.
I liked the Soundgarden vibe and the Comatose reference is qute.
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All solos are unnecessary.
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I'm a pretty big fan of that solo.
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Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:
This is a great song.
The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.
Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.
The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.
Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
This is a great song.
The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.
Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.
The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.
Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
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That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:
This is a great song.
The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.
Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.
The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.
Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
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All my friends who either care less or are casual pj fans don't like mind your manners. All my friends who are pretty big pj fans love it. Good sign for this album, I think. Considering the same casuals loved the fixer..
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I don't know if it's their best punk song ever. I'm also not comfortable discussing its punk authenticity. But I do think it might be my favorite punk song they've ever done. It grabbed me instantly and hooked me in the same way all my favorite punks songs have done. And I can't think of another Pearl Jam punk song that's done just that out of the gate. Maybe Lukin. I've loved that thing from listen #1, too.harmless wrote:That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:
This is a great song.
The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.
Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.
The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.
Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
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I think that if you're a casual fan who hasn't been really into them for a long time, it's virtually impossible to jump on board at this point. And I don't mind that at all.JimX6 wrote:All my friends who either care less or are casual pj fans don't like mind your manners. All my friends who are pretty big pj fans love it. Good sign for this album, I think. Considering the same casuals loved the fixer..
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True. I use 'might be' and 'seem' with imaginary big block capitals.durdencommatyler wrote:I don't know if it's their best punk song ever. I'm also not comfortable discussing its punk authenticity. But I do think it might be my favorite punk song they've ever done. It grabbed me instantly and hooked me in the same way all my favorite punks songs have done. And I can't think of another Pearl Jam punk song that's done just that out of the gate. Maybe Lukin. I've loved that thing from listen #1, too.harmless wrote:That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:
This is a great song.
The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.
Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.
The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.
Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
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True story: I haven't spoken to anyone (in real life, not online) about Mind Your Manners. I have no idea if I know anyone personally who has heard it and if so, whether or not they like it. That's weird, to me.JimX6 wrote:All my friends who either care less or are casual pj fans don't like mind your manners. All my friends who are pretty big pj fans love it. Good sign for this album, I think. Considering the same casuals loved the fixer..
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Oh great, stip's kid is going to grow up to be a serial killer.stip wrote:Kevin Davis wrote:I think "Dream a Little Dream" is one of Eddie's best vocal performances in recent memory. That's exactly the sort of thing he should be doing more of.Sgt. Crackpot wrote:It'll probably just sound creepy. Like his Dream a Little Dream cover.harmless wrote:Haha, I can hear that. And it would be awesome if Ed ripped out of this one into a rendition of "I bet that you'd look good on the dance floor."dimejinky99 wrote:This song is beginning to remind me of arctic monkeys
I sing that song to Ellie ever night when I put her to bed, and I totally started that because of Uke songs. He sounds better, though.
I am a big fan of his performance there
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And you might be right. I just don't have the qualifications or credentials to dive into those aspects. The song hasn't been out long enough for me to call it "best" anything. Not yet. First impression? Yes, the best punk song Pearl Jam's done based on first impressions. But as we all know, those change.harmless wrote:True. I use 'might be' and 'seem' with imaginary big block capitals.durdencommatyler wrote:I don't know if it's their best punk song ever. I'm also not comfortable discussing its punk authenticity. But I do think it might be my favorite punk song they've ever done. It grabbed me instantly and hooked me in the same way all my favorite punks songs have done. And I can't think of another Pearl Jam punk song that's done just that out of the gate. Maybe Lukin. I've loved that thing from listen #1, too.harmless wrote:That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:
This is a great song.
The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.
Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.
The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.
Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
Also, I'm not connoisseur of punk music. There's a lot of shit I don't know. So I can't address the authenticity bit. But I think you might be right. In fact, I'll be a little surprised if this song doesn't age well. It's got a lot going for it.
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Sorry to go against your equation but I fucking hate MYM. And I have too many PJ CDs in my collection to be casual.JimX6 wrote:All my friends who either care less or are casual pj fans don't like mind your manners. All my friends who are pretty big pj fans love it. Good sign for this album, I think. Considering the same casuals loved the fixer..
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I mean, at least he's not singing her Tom Waits songs... wait, what? ... Oh....spike wrote:Oh great, stip's kid is going to grow up to be a serial killer.stip wrote:Kevin Davis wrote:I think "Dream a Little Dream" is one of Eddie's best vocal performances in recent memory. That's exactly the sort of thing he should be doing more of.Sgt. Crackpot wrote:It'll probably just sound creepy. Like his Dream a Little Dream cover.harmless wrote:Haha, I can hear that. And it would be awesome if Ed ripped out of this one into a rendition of "I bet that you'd look good on the dance floor."dimejinky99 wrote:This song is beginning to remind me of arctic monkeys
I sing that song to Ellie ever night when I put her to bed, and I totally started that because of Uke songs. He sounds better, though.
I am a big fan of his performance there
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But how good of friends are you two?LetMeSleep wrote:Sorry to go against your equation but I fucking hate MYM. And I have too many PJ CDs in my collection to be casual.JimX6 wrote:All my friends who either care less or are casual pj fans don't like mind your manners. All my friends who are pretty big pj fans love it. Good sign for this album, I think. Considering the same casuals loved the fixer..
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she'll probably blame this place for her state of mind; we're all dead.durdencommatyler wrote:I mean, at least he's not singing her Tom Waits songs... wait, what? ... Oh....spike wrote:Oh great, stip's kid is going to grow up to be a serial killer.stip wrote:Kevin Davis wrote:I think "Dream a Little Dream" is one of Eddie's best vocal performances in recent memory. That's exactly the sort of thing he should be doing more of.Sgt. Crackpot wrote:It'll probably just sound creepy. Like his Dream a Little Dream cover.harmless wrote:Haha, I can hear that. And it would be awesome if Ed ripped out of this one into a rendition of "I bet that you'd look good on the dance floor."dimejinky99 wrote:This song is beginning to remind me of arctic monkeys
I sing that song to Ellie ever night when I put her to bed, and I totally started that because of Uke songs. He sounds better, though.
I am a big fan of his performance there

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I never embraced STBC but I always figured it was because it lacked melody and was the lead single. I liked Blood's pure rage and deceptive catchiness. Blood also felt interstitial. Like Lukin it's a punk dinner mint. STBC is full rage and riff and odd message about loving vinyl and devoid of melody which makes it a flat liner for me. STBC is an inside joke: Ed loves thrash punk + Ed loves vinyl = spin, spin, spin the black circle!! I wasn't on board.harmless wrote:That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:
This is a great song.
The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.
Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.
The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.
Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
Sneaking a melody into Mind Your Manners with the bridge is the secret sauce to its success.
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Ed´s vocals remind me of young eddie singing in low voice in the background of American Jesus.
Most of friends love this song. And they are pretty huge fans of PJ.
Most of friends love this song. And they are pretty huge fans of PJ.
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