Red Mosquito

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:"Accountability" out of their mouths always sounds like the desire to instill their guilt and shame and neurosis on everyone around them. But speaking of accountability, how about being accountable for one's own feelings rather than externalizing the blame for them to other people's words, or demanding everyone walk on eggshells for one's own benefit?

this is about freedom of speech, which assumes freedom of response (and I don't mean hitting, I mean not being OK with a joke; I don't see the rights of comedians to say what they want as any more objective or "reasonable")

It sounds like you agree. Nobody says you have to like the joke. We draw the line at hitting.

we draw a legal line, and that's fine; I know there will come a day when one of my reactions to a stranger trying to attack me will be called the only attack that took place, and maybe even assault; and the systems we have in place will make the wrong call; this happens over and over again to trans women and disabled people (and black people, especially black men, though I won't speak for them any more than I have, it has been entitled in places)

there is a lot of automatic equating of "legality" with moral justice, and I don't think those always overlap

I want verbal jokes, taunts, threats, whatever to be given equal weight in that conversation

maybe I want a utopia, but maybe that's OK

You can't claim to be merely for understanding, then claim that physical attacks to jokes is morally just lol. It's just motte and bailey bullshit.

You don't want understanding, you want to materially enforce your worldview on everyone around you.

I don’t think that’s an ideal world because it leads to all sorts of booby traps and unforeseen hidden snares. Words shouldn’t be given such weight.

BurtReynolds wrote:You can't claim to be merely for understanding, then claim that physical attacks to jokes is morally just lol. It's just motte and bailey bullshit.

I can

BurtReynolds wrote:You don't want understanding, you want to materially enforce your worldview on everyone around you.

uh-huh

I’m just trying to figure out the line. What about the wife who’s husband slapped her because she told a joke about him in front of his friends? And then apologizes? Should she not process it longer and move on because he already said sorry?

tree_ wrote:I don’t think that’s an ideal world because it leads to all sorts of booby traps and unforeseen hidden snares. Words shouldn’t be given such weight.

I know that's how you feel and I disagree

Ms Harmless wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:You don't want understanding, you want to materially enforce your worldview on everyone around you.

uh-huh

Oh. Well never mind then. That settles this in this thread for me. Carry on!

I just want people to understand that they should do whatever I say, and if they don't I can attack them!

And people wonder what I mean when I call you tyrannical lol

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:You don't want understanding, you want to materially enforce your worldview on everyone around you.

uh-huh

Oh. Well never mind then. That settles this in this thread for me. Carry on!

my iron fist must come down, it's the only way!

BurtReynolds wrote:I just want people to understand that they should do whatever I say, and if they don't I can attack them!

And people wonder what I mean when I call you tyrannical lol

do they? YES I'm famous

It’s a tyrannical perspective for sure. Be glad she doesn’t have more power for everyone’s sake

hehehehe

how do we feel about anti-discrimination and hate speech laws?

could I "hit up" any RMers to go Nazi bashing with me if they did a rally in my town?

fight hate with love uwu

I think it’s good we know who the Nazis are. If speech were illegal they wouldn’t be so willing to out themselves.

Hurting someone’s feelings isn’t necessarily hate speech or discrimination. It isn’t that subjective.

yes because I definitely said "let's make speech illegal"

I would like to know how many nazis Ms. H has, personally, bashed.

tree_ wrote:Hurting someone’s feelings isn’t necessarily hate speech or discrimination. It isn’t that subjective.

you'd be surprised