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Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:17 pm
by Dr. Van Nostrand
:lol:

Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:19 pm
by epilogue
spike wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
spike wrote:
stip wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:
Sgt. Crackpot wrote:
harmless wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:This song is beginning to remind me of arctic monkeys
Haha, I can hear that. And it would be awesome if Ed ripped out of this one into a rendition of "I bet that you'd look good on the dance floor."
It'll probably just sound creepy. Like his Dream a Little Dream cover.
I think "Dream a Little Dream" is one of Eddie's best vocal performances in recent memory. That's exactly the sort of thing he should be doing more of.

I sing that song to Ellie ever night when I put her to bed, and I totally started that because of Uke songs. He sounds better, though.

I am a big fan of his performance there
Oh great, stip's kid is going to grow up to be a serial killer.
I mean, at least he's not singing her Tom Waits songs... wait, what? ... Oh....
she'll probably blame this place for her state of mind; we're all dead.

Image
I'd like to take this opportunity to tell Ellie how lovely she looks today. And that I think she's a really great person. And that I never liked this place very much either.

Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:20 pm
by iceagecoming
This and Comatose are the best punk tunes they've written.

Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:22 pm
by Dr. Van Nostrand
I can't get this song out of my head, i haven't even listened to it since yesterday morning, but Im hearing it over and over anyway

Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:22 pm
by epilogue
MemoFromTurner wrote:
harmless wrote:
MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:

This is a great song.

The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.

Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.

The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.

Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).
I never embraced STBC but I always figured it was because it lacked melody and was the lead single. I liked Blood's pure rage and deceptive catchiness. Blood also felt interstitial. Like Lukin it's a punk dinner mint. STBC is full rage and riff and odd message about loving vinyl and devoid of melody which makes it a flat liner for me. STBC is an inside joke: Ed loves thrash punk + Ed loves vinyl = spin, spin, spin the black circle!! I wasn't on board.

Sneaking a melody into Mind Your Manners with the bridge is the secret sauce to its success.
I'm not a musician, so maybe I'm getting terms confused, but I never thought STBC was devoid of melody. In fact, I think the thing as a pretty catchy melody. I just don't like the way Ed forces the words in the thing, or his phrasing. Well, I like it fine enough. I just don't think its as successful as it could have been. And I don't like the lyrical content much either. Really, as an instrumental, I think I'd like it a lot more.

Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:23 pm
by epilogue
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:I can't get this song out of my head, i haven't even listened to it since yesterday morning, but Im hearing it over and over anyway
:bammer: :heartbeat: :bammer: :heartbeat: :hooray: :heartbeat: :ohyeah!: :heartbeat: :bammer: :heartbeat:

Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:27 pm
by stip
spike wrote:
stip wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:
Sgt. Crackpot wrote:
harmless wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:This song is beginning to remind me of arctic monkeys
Haha, I can hear that. And it would be awesome if Ed ripped out of this one into a rendition of "I bet that you'd look good on the dance floor."
It'll probably just sound creepy. Like his Dream a Little Dream cover.
I think "Dream a Little Dream" is one of Eddie's best vocal performances in recent memory. That's exactly the sort of thing he should be doing more of.

I sing that song to Ellie ever night when I put her to bed, and I totally started that because of Uke songs. He sounds better, though.

I am a big fan of his performance there
Oh great, stip's kid is going to grow up to be a serial killer.
Have you heard the demo? It ups the stalker to 11

Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:31 pm
by harmless
durdencommatyler wrote:
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:I can't get this song out of my head, i haven't even listened to it since yesterday morning, but Im hearing it over and over anyway
:bammer: :heartbeat: :bammer: :heartbeat: :hooray: :heartbeat: :ohyeah!: :heartbeat: :bammer: :heartbeat:
I've listened to it on repeat for a few hours a day since I got it. With no breaks.

Re: Mind Your Mannersbridge

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:32 pm
by stip
iceagecoming wrote:This and Comatose are the best punk tunes they've written.
Agreed, unless wws counts. I do think comatose is the better song, but this is catchier. Memo from turners point about sneaking the melody into the bridge is key. I actually think the traditional meat of the song is average (verse and chorus). Fine for what it is, not a song I'd skip but not one I would seek out either. But the into, outdo, solo, and especially the double bridge are what make this one a good song

Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:34 pm
by harmless
durdencommatyler wrote:
MemoFromTurner wrote:
harmless wrote:
MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:

This is a great song.

The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.

Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.

The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.

Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).
I never embraced STBC but I always figured it was because it lacked melody and was the lead single. I liked Blood's pure rage and deceptive catchiness. Blood also felt interstitial. Like Lukin it's a punk dinner mint. STBC is full rage and riff and odd message about loving vinyl and devoid of melody which makes it a flat liner for me. STBC is an inside joke: Ed loves thrash punk + Ed loves vinyl = spin, spin, spin the black circle!! I wasn't on board.

Sneaking a melody into Mind Your Manners with the bridge is the secret sauce to its success.
I'm not a musician, so maybe I'm getting terms confused, but I never thought STBC was devoid of melody. In fact, I think the thing as a pretty catchy melody. I just don't like the way Ed forces the words in the thing, or his phrasing. Well, I like it fine enough. I just don't think its as successful as it could have been. And I don't like the lyrical content much either. Really, as an instrumental, I think I'd like it a lot more.
I won't comment on your dislike of STBC except to say it's weird. But I will say that yes, underneath all the snarling and yelling, there's a tune and he sings it really well. And it's similar on MYM, where on the surface it's off, but there are notes underpinning the force, which make even the shouty bits feel "melodic".

Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:36 pm
by epilogue
harmless wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:I can't get this song out of my head, i haven't even listened to it since yesterday morning, but Im hearing it over and over anyway
:bammer: :heartbeat: :bammer: :heartbeat: :hooray: :heartbeat: :ohyeah!: :heartbeat: :bammer: :heartbeat:
I've listened to it on repeat for a few hours a day since I got it. With no breaks.
Me too, friend. I'll do the same later today. But the wife is napping right now. :mrgreen:

Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:37 pm
by harmless
"Tried my patience" is one of the bits where the tune comes to the fore.

Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:37 pm
by stip
It helps that mind your manners is a fairly melodic phrase in a way that, say, spin the black circle is mot

Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:41 pm
by epilogue
harmless wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
MemoFromTurner wrote:
harmless wrote:
MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:

This is a great song.

The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.

Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.

The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.

Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).
I never embraced STBC but I always figured it was because it lacked melody and was the lead single. I liked Blood's pure rage and deceptive catchiness. Blood also felt interstitial. Like Lukin it's a punk dinner mint. STBC is full rage and riff and odd message about loving vinyl and devoid of melody which makes it a flat liner for me. STBC is an inside joke: Ed loves thrash punk + Ed loves vinyl = spin, spin, spin the black circle!! I wasn't on board.

Sneaking a melody into Mind Your Manners with the bridge is the secret sauce to its success.
I'm not a musician, so maybe I'm getting terms confused, but I never thought STBC was devoid of melody. In fact, I think the thing as a pretty catchy melody. I just don't like the way Ed forces the words in the thing, or his phrasing. Well, I like it fine enough. I just don't think its as successful as it could have been. And I don't like the lyrical content much either. Really, as an instrumental, I think I'd like it a lot more.
I won't comment on your dislike of STBC except to say it's weird. But I will say that yes, underneath all the snarling and yelling, there's a tune and he sings it really well. And it's similar on MYM, where on the surface it's off, but there are notes underpinning the force, which make even the shouty bits feel "melodic".
I like STBC a lot more now than I used to. Once upon a time it was the Gods' Dice (well... up until Gods' Dice!) of the Pearl Jam catalog for me. I've come around big time. Now, I have it ranked above Whipping on Vitalogy and it's at 115 overall. And it used to be in the bottom 10 for me.

Mostly, when I'm talking about what doesn't work for me, I'm talking about the stuff I've had to learn to like. It wasn't an instant grab. Like I said, it could have been more successful. But I enjoy the song quite a bit, now.

Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:42 pm
by epilogue
stip wrote:It helps that mind your manners is a fairly melodic phrase in a way that, say, spin the black circle is mot
That's in the neighborhood of what I was saying about the way Ed phrases the song and forces the melody.

Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:50 pm
by MemoFromTurner
durdencommatyler wrote:
MemoFromTurner wrote:
harmless wrote:
MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:

This is a great song.

The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.

Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.

The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.

Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).
I never embraced STBC but I always figured it was because it lacked melody and was the lead single. I liked Blood's pure rage and deceptive catchiness. Blood also felt interstitial. Like Lukin it's a punk dinner mint. STBC is full rage and riff and odd message about loving vinyl and devoid of melody which makes it a flat liner for me. STBC is an inside joke: Ed loves thrash punk + Ed loves vinyl = spin, spin, spin the black circle!! I wasn't on board.

Sneaking a melody into Mind Your Manners with the bridge is the secret sauce to its success.
I'm not a musician, so maybe I'm getting terms confused, but I never thought STBC was devoid of melody. In fact, I think the thing as a pretty catchy melody. I just don't like the way Ed forces the words in the thing, or his phrasing. Well, I like it fine enough. I just don't think its as successful as it could have been. And I don't like the lyrical content much either. Really, as an instrumental, I think I'd like it a lot more.
I'm no musician either and after a quick google search the distinction isn't becoming clearer. By riff in STBC I mean the repeated guitar phrase. The song is built around that phrase and is repetitive. We associate catchy riffs with AC/DC, Jack White, the Rolling Stones. A strong melody I associate with someone like McCartney.

Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:55 pm
by epilogue
MemoFromTurner wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
MemoFromTurner wrote:
harmless wrote:
MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:

This is a great song.

The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.

Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.

The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.

Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).
I never embraced STBC but I always figured it was because it lacked melody and was the lead single. I liked Blood's pure rage and deceptive catchiness. Blood also felt interstitial. Like Lukin it's a punk dinner mint. STBC is full rage and riff and odd message about loving vinyl and devoid of melody which makes it a flat liner for me. STBC is an inside joke: Ed loves thrash punk + Ed loves vinyl = spin, spin, spin the black circle!! I wasn't on board.

Sneaking a melody into Mind Your Manners with the bridge is the secret sauce to its success.
I'm not a musician, so maybe I'm getting terms confused, but I never thought STBC was devoid of melody. In fact, I think the thing as a pretty catchy melody. I just don't like the way Ed forces the words in the thing, or his phrasing. Well, I like it fine enough. I just don't think its as successful as it could have been. And I don't like the lyrical content much either. Really, as an instrumental, I think I'd like it a lot more.
I'm no musician either and after a quick google search the distinction isn't becoming clearer. By riff in STBC I mean the repeated guitar phrase. The song is built around that phrase and is repetitive. We associate catchy riffs with AC/DC, Jack White, the Rolling Stones. A strong melody I associate with someone like McCartney.
So you're talking about Ed's melody, the vocal melody he's chosen for the song?

Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:56 pm
by MemoFromTurner
harmless wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
MemoFromTurner wrote:
harmless wrote:
MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:

This is a great song.

The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.

Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.

The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.

Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).
I never embraced STBC but I always figured it was because it lacked melody and was the lead single. I liked Blood's pure rage and deceptive catchiness. Blood also felt interstitial. Like Lukin it's a punk dinner mint. STBC is full rage and riff and odd message about loving vinyl and devoid of melody which makes it a flat liner for me. STBC is an inside joke: Ed loves thrash punk + Ed loves vinyl = spin, spin, spin the black circle!! I wasn't on board.

Sneaking a melody into Mind Your Manners with the bridge is the secret sauce to its success.
I'm not a musician, so maybe I'm getting terms confused, but I never thought STBC was devoid of melody. In fact, I think the thing as a pretty catchy melody. I just don't like the way Ed forces the words in the thing, or his phrasing. Well, I like it fine enough. I just don't think its as successful as it could have been. And I don't like the lyrical content much either. Really, as an instrumental, I think I'd like it a lot more.
I won't comment on your dislike of STBC except to say it's weird. But I will say that yes, underneath all the snarling and yelling, there's a tune and he sings it really well. And it's similar on MYM, where on the surface it's off, but there are notes underpinning the force, which make even the shouty bits feel "melodic".
Do you mean that if Pearl Jam slowed down STBC and played it acoustic that it would be a strong song? I have trouble imagining that. A melodic song, based on my shaky understanding of music and music vocabulary, sounds pretty amazing at slower tempos. That STP song where the "dogs begin to smell her" has a strong melody so the acoustic version is "sweet". A riff heavy song where the foundation of the music is the the riff would collapse.

Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:59 pm
by MemoFromTurner
durdencommatyler wrote:
MemoFromTurner wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
MemoFromTurner wrote:
harmless wrote:
MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:

This is a great song.

The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.

Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.

The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.

Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).
I never embraced STBC but I always figured it was because it lacked melody and was the lead single. I liked Blood's pure rage and deceptive catchiness. Blood also felt interstitial. Like Lukin it's a punk dinner mint. STBC is full rage and riff and odd message about loving vinyl and devoid of melody which makes it a flat liner for me. STBC is an inside joke: Ed loves thrash punk + Ed loves vinyl = spin, spin, spin the black circle!! I wasn't on board.

Sneaking a melody into Mind Your Manners with the bridge is the secret sauce to its success.
I'm not a musician, so maybe I'm getting terms confused, but I never thought STBC was devoid of melody. In fact, I think the thing as a pretty catchy melody. I just don't like the way Ed forces the words in the thing, or his phrasing. Well, I like it fine enough. I just don't think its as successful as it could have been. And I don't like the lyrical content much either. Really, as an instrumental, I think I'd like it a lot more.
I'm no musician either and after a quick google search the distinction isn't becoming clearer. By riff in STBC I mean the repeated guitar phrase. The song is built around that phrase and is repetitive. We associate catchy riffs with AC/DC, Jack White, the Rolling Stones. A strong melody I associate with someone like McCartney.
So you're talking about Ed's melody, the vocal melody he's chosen for the song?
No, I meant the musical melody. A musicologist can send me a life line. The vocal melody and song melody are usually different.

Re: Mind Your Manners

Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 5:01 pm
by epilogue
MemoFromTurner wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
MemoFromTurner wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
MemoFromTurner wrote:
harmless wrote:
MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:

This is a great song.

The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.

Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.

The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.

Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).
I never embraced STBC but I always figured it was because it lacked melody and was the lead single. I liked Blood's pure rage and deceptive catchiness. Blood also felt interstitial. Like Lukin it's a punk dinner mint. STBC is full rage and riff and odd message about loving vinyl and devoid of melody which makes it a flat liner for me. STBC is an inside joke: Ed loves thrash punk + Ed loves vinyl = spin, spin, spin the black circle!! I wasn't on board.

Sneaking a melody into Mind Your Manners with the bridge is the secret sauce to its success.
I'm not a musician, so maybe I'm getting terms confused, but I never thought STBC was devoid of melody. In fact, I think the thing as a pretty catchy melody. I just don't like the way Ed forces the words in the thing, or his phrasing. Well, I like it fine enough. I just don't think its as successful as it could have been. And I don't like the lyrical content much either. Really, as an instrumental, I think I'd like it a lot more.
I'm no musician either and after a quick google search the distinction isn't becoming clearer. By riff in STBC I mean the repeated guitar phrase. The song is built around that phrase and is repetitive. We associate catchy riffs with AC/DC, Jack White, the Rolling Stones. A strong melody I associate with someone like McCartney.
So you're talking about Ed's melody, the vocal melody he's chosen for the song?
No, I meant the musical melody. A musicologist can send me a life line. The vocal melody and song melody are usually different.
Right, which is why I thought you were talking about the vocal melody. Because there I agree that it could be stronger, or better/more interesting choices could have been made. But I think the song melody is really nice.