Re: Mind Your Manners
Posted: Sat July 13, 2013 4:17 pm
I'd like to take this opportunity to tell Ellie how lovely she looks today. And that I think she's a really great person. And that I never liked this place very much either.spike wrote:she'll probably blame this place for her state of mind; we're all dead.durdencommatyler wrote:I mean, at least he's not singing her Tom Waits songs... wait, what? ... Oh....spike wrote:Oh great, stip's kid is going to grow up to be a serial killer.stip wrote:Kevin Davis wrote:I think "Dream a Little Dream" is one of Eddie's best vocal performances in recent memory. That's exactly the sort of thing he should be doing more of.Sgt. Crackpot wrote:It'll probably just sound creepy. Like his Dream a Little Dream cover.harmless wrote:Haha, I can hear that. And it would be awesome if Ed ripped out of this one into a rendition of "I bet that you'd look good on the dance floor."dimejinky99 wrote:This song is beginning to remind me of arctic monkeys
I sing that song to Ellie ever night when I put her to bed, and I totally started that because of Uke songs. He sounds better, though.
I am a big fan of his performance there
I'm not a musician, so maybe I'm getting terms confused, but I never thought STBC was devoid of melody. In fact, I think the thing as a pretty catchy melody. I just don't like the way Ed forces the words in the thing, or his phrasing. Well, I like it fine enough. I just don't think its as successful as it could have been. And I don't like the lyrical content much either. Really, as an instrumental, I think I'd like it a lot more.MemoFromTurner wrote:I never embraced STBC but I always figured it was because it lacked melody and was the lead single. I liked Blood's pure rage and deceptive catchiness. Blood also felt interstitial. Like Lukin it's a punk dinner mint. STBC is full rage and riff and odd message about loving vinyl and devoid of melody which makes it a flat liner for me. STBC is an inside joke: Ed loves thrash punk + Ed loves vinyl = spin, spin, spin the black circle!! I wasn't on board.harmless wrote:That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:
This is a great song.
The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.
Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.
The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.
Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
Sneaking a melody into Mind Your Manners with the bridge is the secret sauce to its success.
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:I can't get this song out of my head, i haven't even listened to it since yesterday morning, but Im hearing it over and over anyway
Have you heard the demo? It ups the stalker to 11spike wrote:Oh great, stip's kid is going to grow up to be a serial killer.stip wrote:Kevin Davis wrote:I think "Dream a Little Dream" is one of Eddie's best vocal performances in recent memory. That's exactly the sort of thing he should be doing more of.Sgt. Crackpot wrote:It'll probably just sound creepy. Like his Dream a Little Dream cover.harmless wrote:Haha, I can hear that. And it would be awesome if Ed ripped out of this one into a rendition of "I bet that you'd look good on the dance floor."dimejinky99 wrote:This song is beginning to remind me of arctic monkeys
I sing that song to Ellie ever night when I put her to bed, and I totally started that because of Uke songs. He sounds better, though.
I am a big fan of his performance there
I've listened to it on repeat for a few hours a day since I got it. With no breaks.durdencommatyler wrote:Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:I can't get this song out of my head, i haven't even listened to it since yesterday morning, but Im hearing it over and over anyway![]()
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Agreed, unless wws counts. I do think comatose is the better song, but this is catchier. Memo from turners point about sneaking the melody into the bridge is key. I actually think the traditional meat of the song is average (verse and chorus). Fine for what it is, not a song I'd skip but not one I would seek out either. But the into, outdo, solo, and especially the double bridge are what make this one a good songiceagecoming wrote:This and Comatose are the best punk tunes they've written.
I won't comment on your dislike of STBC except to say it's weird. But I will say that yes, underneath all the snarling and yelling, there's a tune and he sings it really well. And it's similar on MYM, where on the surface it's off, but there are notes underpinning the force, which make even the shouty bits feel "melodic".durdencommatyler wrote:I'm not a musician, so maybe I'm getting terms confused, but I never thought STBC was devoid of melody. In fact, I think the thing as a pretty catchy melody. I just don't like the way Ed forces the words in the thing, or his phrasing. Well, I like it fine enough. I just don't think its as successful as it could have been. And I don't like the lyrical content much either. Really, as an instrumental, I think I'd like it a lot more.MemoFromTurner wrote:I never embraced STBC but I always figured it was because it lacked melody and was the lead single. I liked Blood's pure rage and deceptive catchiness. Blood also felt interstitial. Like Lukin it's a punk dinner mint. STBC is full rage and riff and odd message about loving vinyl and devoid of melody which makes it a flat liner for me. STBC is an inside joke: Ed loves thrash punk + Ed loves vinyl = spin, spin, spin the black circle!! I wasn't on board.harmless wrote:That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:
This is a great song.
The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.
Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.
The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.
Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
Sneaking a melody into Mind Your Manners with the bridge is the secret sauce to its success.
Me too, friend. I'll do the same later today. But the wife is napping right now.harmless wrote:I've listened to it on repeat for a few hours a day since I got it. With no breaks.durdencommatyler wrote:Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:I can't get this song out of my head, i haven't even listened to it since yesterday morning, but Im hearing it over and over anyway![]()
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I like STBC a lot more now than I used to. Once upon a time it was the Gods' Dice (well... up until Gods' Dice!) of the Pearl Jam catalog for me. I've come around big time. Now, I have it ranked above Whipping on Vitalogy and it's at 115 overall. And it used to be in the bottom 10 for me.harmless wrote:I won't comment on your dislike of STBC except to say it's weird. But I will say that yes, underneath all the snarling and yelling, there's a tune and he sings it really well. And it's similar on MYM, where on the surface it's off, but there are notes underpinning the force, which make even the shouty bits feel "melodic".durdencommatyler wrote:I'm not a musician, so maybe I'm getting terms confused, but I never thought STBC was devoid of melody. In fact, I think the thing as a pretty catchy melody. I just don't like the way Ed forces the words in the thing, or his phrasing. Well, I like it fine enough. I just don't think its as successful as it could have been. And I don't like the lyrical content much either. Really, as an instrumental, I think I'd like it a lot more.MemoFromTurner wrote:I never embraced STBC but I always figured it was because it lacked melody and was the lead single. I liked Blood's pure rage and deceptive catchiness. Blood also felt interstitial. Like Lukin it's a punk dinner mint. STBC is full rage and riff and odd message about loving vinyl and devoid of melody which makes it a flat liner for me. STBC is an inside joke: Ed loves thrash punk + Ed loves vinyl = spin, spin, spin the black circle!! I wasn't on board.harmless wrote:That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:
This is a great song.
The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.
Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.
The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.
Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
Sneaking a melody into Mind Your Manners with the bridge is the secret sauce to its success.
That's in the neighborhood of what I was saying about the way Ed phrases the song and forces the melody.stip wrote:It helps that mind your manners is a fairly melodic phrase in a way that, say, spin the black circle is mot
I'm no musician either and after a quick google search the distinction isn't becoming clearer. By riff in STBC I mean the repeated guitar phrase. The song is built around that phrase and is repetitive. We associate catchy riffs with AC/DC, Jack White, the Rolling Stones. A strong melody I associate with someone like McCartney.durdencommatyler wrote:I'm not a musician, so maybe I'm getting terms confused, but I never thought STBC was devoid of melody. In fact, I think the thing as a pretty catchy melody. I just don't like the way Ed forces the words in the thing, or his phrasing. Well, I like it fine enough. I just don't think its as successful as it could have been. And I don't like the lyrical content much either. Really, as an instrumental, I think I'd like it a lot more.MemoFromTurner wrote:I never embraced STBC but I always figured it was because it lacked melody and was the lead single. I liked Blood's pure rage and deceptive catchiness. Blood also felt interstitial. Like Lukin it's a punk dinner mint. STBC is full rage and riff and odd message about loving vinyl and devoid of melody which makes it a flat liner for me. STBC is an inside joke: Ed loves thrash punk + Ed loves vinyl = spin, spin, spin the black circle!! I wasn't on board.harmless wrote:That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:
This is a great song.
The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.
Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.
The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.
Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
Sneaking a melody into Mind Your Manners with the bridge is the secret sauce to its success.
So you're talking about Ed's melody, the vocal melody he's chosen for the song?MemoFromTurner wrote:I'm no musician either and after a quick google search the distinction isn't becoming clearer. By riff in STBC I mean the repeated guitar phrase. The song is built around that phrase and is repetitive. We associate catchy riffs with AC/DC, Jack White, the Rolling Stones. A strong melody I associate with someone like McCartney.durdencommatyler wrote:I'm not a musician, so maybe I'm getting terms confused, but I never thought STBC was devoid of melody. In fact, I think the thing as a pretty catchy melody. I just don't like the way Ed forces the words in the thing, or his phrasing. Well, I like it fine enough. I just don't think its as successful as it could have been. And I don't like the lyrical content much either. Really, as an instrumental, I think I'd like it a lot more.MemoFromTurner wrote:I never embraced STBC but I always figured it was because it lacked melody and was the lead single. I liked Blood's pure rage and deceptive catchiness. Blood also felt interstitial. Like Lukin it's a punk dinner mint. STBC is full rage and riff and odd message about loving vinyl and devoid of melody which makes it a flat liner for me. STBC is an inside joke: Ed loves thrash punk + Ed loves vinyl = spin, spin, spin the black circle!! I wasn't on board.harmless wrote:That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:
This is a great song.
The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.
Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.
The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.
Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
Sneaking a melody into Mind Your Manners with the bridge is the secret sauce to its success.
Do you mean that if Pearl Jam slowed down STBC and played it acoustic that it would be a strong song? I have trouble imagining that. A melodic song, based on my shaky understanding of music and music vocabulary, sounds pretty amazing at slower tempos. That STP song where the "dogs begin to smell her" has a strong melody so the acoustic version is "sweet". A riff heavy song where the foundation of the music is the the riff would collapse.harmless wrote:I won't comment on your dislike of STBC except to say it's weird. But I will say that yes, underneath all the snarling and yelling, there's a tune and he sings it really well. And it's similar on MYM, where on the surface it's off, but there are notes underpinning the force, which make even the shouty bits feel "melodic".durdencommatyler wrote:I'm not a musician, so maybe I'm getting terms confused, but I never thought STBC was devoid of melody. In fact, I think the thing as a pretty catchy melody. I just don't like the way Ed forces the words in the thing, or his phrasing. Well, I like it fine enough. I just don't think its as successful as it could have been. And I don't like the lyrical content much either. Really, as an instrumental, I think I'd like it a lot more.MemoFromTurner wrote:I never embraced STBC but I always figured it was because it lacked melody and was the lead single. I liked Blood's pure rage and deceptive catchiness. Blood also felt interstitial. Like Lukin it's a punk dinner mint. STBC is full rage and riff and odd message about loving vinyl and devoid of melody which makes it a flat liner for me. STBC is an inside joke: Ed loves thrash punk + Ed loves vinyl = spin, spin, spin the black circle!! I wasn't on board.harmless wrote:That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:
This is a great song.
The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.
Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.
The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.
Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
Sneaking a melody into Mind Your Manners with the bridge is the secret sauce to its success.
No, I meant the musical melody. A musicologist can send me a life line. The vocal melody and song melody are usually different.durdencommatyler wrote:So you're talking about Ed's melody, the vocal melody he's chosen for the song?MemoFromTurner wrote:I'm no musician either and after a quick google search the distinction isn't becoming clearer. By riff in STBC I mean the repeated guitar phrase. The song is built around that phrase and is repetitive. We associate catchy riffs with AC/DC, Jack White, the Rolling Stones. A strong melody I associate with someone like McCartney.durdencommatyler wrote:I'm not a musician, so maybe I'm getting terms confused, but I never thought STBC was devoid of melody. In fact, I think the thing as a pretty catchy melody. I just don't like the way Ed forces the words in the thing, or his phrasing. Well, I like it fine enough. I just don't think its as successful as it could have been. And I don't like the lyrical content much either. Really, as an instrumental, I think I'd like it a lot more.MemoFromTurner wrote:I never embraced STBC but I always figured it was because it lacked melody and was the lead single. I liked Blood's pure rage and deceptive catchiness. Blood also felt interstitial. Like Lukin it's a punk dinner mint. STBC is full rage and riff and odd message about loving vinyl and devoid of melody which makes it a flat liner for me. STBC is an inside joke: Ed loves thrash punk + Ed loves vinyl = spin, spin, spin the black circle!! I wasn't on board.harmless wrote:That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:
This is a great song.
The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.
Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.
The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.
Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
Sneaking a melody into Mind Your Manners with the bridge is the secret sauce to its success.
Right, which is why I thought you were talking about the vocal melody. Because there I agree that it could be stronger, or better/more interesting choices could have been made. But I think the song melody is really nice.MemoFromTurner wrote:No, I meant the musical melody. A musicologist can send me a life line. The vocal melody and song melody are usually different.durdencommatyler wrote:So you're talking about Ed's melody, the vocal melody he's chosen for the song?MemoFromTurner wrote:I'm no musician either and after a quick google search the distinction isn't becoming clearer. By riff in STBC I mean the repeated guitar phrase. The song is built around that phrase and is repetitive. We associate catchy riffs with AC/DC, Jack White, the Rolling Stones. A strong melody I associate with someone like McCartney.durdencommatyler wrote:I'm not a musician, so maybe I'm getting terms confused, but I never thought STBC was devoid of melody. In fact, I think the thing as a pretty catchy melody. I just don't like the way Ed forces the words in the thing, or his phrasing. Well, I like it fine enough. I just don't think its as successful as it could have been. And I don't like the lyrical content much either. Really, as an instrumental, I think I'd like it a lot more.MemoFromTurner wrote:I never embraced STBC but I always figured it was because it lacked melody and was the lead single. I liked Blood's pure rage and deceptive catchiness. Blood also felt interstitial. Like Lukin it's a punk dinner mint. STBC is full rage and riff and odd message about loving vinyl and devoid of melody which makes it a flat liner for me. STBC is an inside joke: Ed loves thrash punk + Ed loves vinyl = spin, spin, spin the black circle!! I wasn't on board.harmless wrote:That last bit -- I don't like Comatose as much as that, but I agree with you otherwise. This might be their best punk song ever, if only because although I like loads of the others, they didn't seem as authentically punk as this (with the possible exception of STBC, but was that too full of rage?).MemoFromTurner wrote:Wanted to let this one sink in before I evaluated. After 30 clicks of overly compressed YouTube I'm all in:
This is a great song.
The opening riff grabs your balls which is a class way of saying there's a primal urgency. It rawks.
Good Ed comes out on this track. He is inspired, unstuffed, loose. We hear the inspiration, despair, and optimism that mark his best qualities as a vocalist.
The guitars are still a little too clean for my taste. I'm stuck at Vitalogy / No Code / some Yield as the high point of Pearl Jam's sound. The band isn't there now.
Lastly, an outstanding punk song from Pearl Jam: Wow. We know they've been trying. I love Lukin, hate Habit, hate Supersonic, love Comatose. For me it's pretty hit and miss and when they misfire on punk it's gawdawful. This latest is all good.
Sneaking a melody into Mind Your Manners with the bridge is the secret sauce to its success.