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Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 1:27 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
I like how when she was asked "what if you get indicted?" she just yelled "that's not going to happen" and waited for the crowd to cheer. Holy fuck.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 1:33 pm
by spike
stip wrote:
spike wrote:
Strat wrote:If Clinton does get the nomination, I can only assume Sanders would ultimately back her and throw his support/voters towards Clinton?
that's what he's supposed to do, but maybe he tries to run as an independent, which would be horrible.
he has said he wouldn't, and there's no reason to assume he'd go back on that
as he accumulates more and more donations...

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 1:40 pm
by tommymtcom
spike wrote:
stip wrote:
spike wrote:
Strat wrote:If Clinton does get the nomination, I can only assume Sanders would ultimately back her and throw his support/voters towards Clinton?
that's what he's supposed to do, but maybe he tries to run as an independent, which would be horrible.
he has said he wouldn't, and there's no reason to assume he'd go back on that
as he accumulates more and more donations...
What happens to all that money if he drops out? Who gets it?

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 1:56 pm
by b_i_revisited
E.H. Ruddock wrote:I like how when she was asked "what if you get indicted?" she just yelled "that's not going to happen" and waited for the crowd to cheer. Holy fuck.

That was... kinda cool. Even though I kinda hope she wins.

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Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 2:15 pm
by stip
tommymtcom wrote:
spike wrote:
stip wrote:
spike wrote:
Strat wrote:If Clinton does get the nomination, I can only assume Sanders would ultimately back her and throw his support/voters towards Clinton?
that's what he's supposed to do, but maybe he tries to run as an independent, which would be horrible.
he has said he wouldn't, and there's no reason to assume he'd go back on that
as he accumulates more and more donations...
What happens to all that money if he drops out? Who gets it?
They can use it for future runs, or donate it to charities or other parties/candidates.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 2:44 pm
by 4/5
E.H. Ruddock wrote:I like how when she was asked "what if you get indicted?" she just yelled "that's not going to happen" and waited for the crowd to cheer. Holy fuck.
I mean that's a pretty bush league question, isn't it?

Students also told me that they asked Bernie how his brand of socialism is different than Castro's. If true that's also an absurd question. Neither of those questions should be dignified with a response.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 3:00 pm
by b_i_revisited
4/5 wrote:
Students also told me that they asked Bernie how his brand of socialism is different than Castro's. If true that's also an absurd question. Neither of those questions should be dignified with a response.
I actually like that question. It's not that I don't understand the difference between Sanders' "Democratic Socialism" and the more despotic Soviet/Marxist style we saw in the 20th century, it's that "Socialism" is a trigger word for many, many people and Bernie could do a lot to assuage fear of his policies by explaining he is not going to be taking everyone's 401k and giving it to illegal immigrants or paying off puppetry major's student loans.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 3:17 pm
by nyquillyn
Interesting analysis on what went down in Michigan and why the polls were so wrong.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why ... gan-upset/

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 3:18 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
4/5 wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:I like how when she was asked "what if you get indicted?" she just yelled "that's not going to happen" and waited for the crowd to cheer. Holy fuck.
I mean that's a pretty bush league question, isn't it?

Students also told me that they asked Bernie how his brand of socialism is different than Castro's. If true that's also an absurd question. Neither of those questions should be dignified with a response.
My statement wasn't about her answer but more about her yelling it and waiting for the crowd to cheer. I hate that. But to be fair, I hate that about any of the candidates that do it. Trump is the worst.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 3:25 pm
by b_i_revisited
turned2black wrote:Interesting analysis on what went down in Michigan and why the polls were so wrong.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why ... gan-upset/
Some Clinton supporters chose to vote in the Republican primary. We know 7 percent of voters in the Republican primary identified themselves as Democrats to exit pollsters, compared with just 4 percent of voters in the Democratic primary who said they were Republicans. “Those 7 percent of Dems were likely mostly Hillary voters who thought she had an easy win and they could do their part trying to stop [Donald] Trump,” said Bernie Porn of pollster EPIC-MRA. The exit-poll samples are too small, though, to check that.
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Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 3:38 pm
by Simple Torture
Rule 34

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 3:39 pm
by Simple Torture
b_i_revisited wrote:Bernie could do a lot to assuage fear of his policies by explaining he is not going to be taking everyone's 401k and giving it to illegal immigrants or paying off puppetry major's student loans.
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Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 3:44 pm
by ABNorman
#notallpuppeteers

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 3:48 pm
by b_i_revisited
ABNorman wrote:#notallpuppeteers

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Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 4:20 pm
by Electromatic
4/5 wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:I like how when she was asked "what if you get indicted?" she just yelled "that's not going to happen" and waited for the crowd to cheer. Holy fuck.
I mean that's a pretty bush league question, isn't it?

Students also told me that they asked Bernie how his brand of socialism is different than Castro's. If true that's also an absurd question. Neither of those questions should be dignified with a response.

why are either of those absurd questions?

Bernie has answered that question and done a good job of it on NPR several times.

Hillary and the Clinton's in general have spent quite a bit of time in the last two decades embroiled in some kind of legal struggle. She very well could be indicted... If anything you need to ask that question as a moderator. She shouted it down because it's bad PR for her, but the Clinton's do that with all the bad PR that they generate for themselves.

If a debate is going to be anything more than a commercial for a candidate, they should be asked to answer difficult questions, especially for the job for which they are applying

Personally I find it absurd that a canidate for president lives her life in such a way that she could possibly be indicted. She's a female, democrat party version of Richard Nixon.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 4:25 pm
by tommymtcom
stip wrote:
tommymtcom wrote:
spike wrote:
stip wrote:
spike wrote:
Strat wrote:If Clinton does get the nomination, I can only assume Sanders would ultimately back her and throw his support/voters towards Clinton?
that's what he's supposed to do, but maybe he tries to run as an independent, which would be horrible.
he has said he wouldn't, and there's no reason to assume he'd go back on that
as he accumulates more and more donations...
What happens to all that money if he drops out? Who gets it?
They can use it for future runs, or donate it to charities or other parties/candidates.
Could he use it for his next senate run? What do candidates typically do with it?

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 4:28 pm
by tragabigzanda
tommymtcom wrote:
stip wrote:
tommymtcom wrote:
spike wrote:
stip wrote:
spike wrote:
Strat wrote:If Clinton does get the nomination, I can only assume Sanders would ultimately back her and throw his support/voters towards Clinton?
that's what he's supposed to do, but maybe he tries to run as an independent, which would be horrible.
he has said he wouldn't, and there's no reason to assume he'd go back on that
as he accumulates more and more donations...
What happens to all that money if he drops out? Who gets it?
They can use it for future runs, or donate it to charities or other parties/candidates.
Could he use it for his next senate run? What do candidates typically do with it?
Couldn't say for sure, but I don't think that would be kosher. Donations given for a particular candidacy couldn't then be allocated towards running for another position, right? Just sounds amoral.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 4:36 pm
by 4/5
Electromatic wrote:
4/5 wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:I like how when she was asked "what if you get indicted?" she just yelled "that's not going to happen" and waited for the crowd to cheer. Holy fuck.
I mean that's a pretty bush league question, isn't it?

Students also told me that they asked Bernie how his brand of socialism is different than Castro's. If true that's also an absurd question. Neither of those questions should be dignified with a response.

why are either of those absurd questions?

Bernie has answered that question and done a good job of it on NPR several times.

Hillary and the Clinton's in general have spent quite a bit of time in the last two decades embroiled in some kind of legal struggle. She very well could be indicted... If anything you need to ask that question as a moderator. She shouted it down because it's bad PR for her, but the Clinton's do that with all the bad PR that they generate for themselves.

If a debate is going to be anything more than a commercial for a candidate, they should be asked to answer difficult questions, especially for the job for which they are applying

Personally I find it absurd that a canidate for president lives her life in such a way that she could possibly be indicted. She's a female, democrat party version of Richard Nixon.
I'm all for tough questions. "What if you're indicted?" is in my opinion not a tough question, but a loaded question. Her only possible response is that that isn't going to happen. She can't even entertain the possibility of it. So ask her if somebody who has the specter of criminal indictment hanging over them should be running for president. Or ask about the cloud of suspicion and distrust that surrounds her. Or ask about her role in these scandalous things. She wouldn't answer any of them directly because that's what politicians do, but the question would be more fair.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 4:41 pm
by nyquillyn
I thought the indictment question was pretty ridiculous. The possibility of Hillary actually being indicted is miniscule. But in all honesty, there is some evidence that this kind of stuff actually helps her. The African-American community in particular seems to have a history of rallying around the Clintons in times of peril.

That being said, I thought they were both pretty terrible last night.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu March 10, 2016 4:41 pm
by 4/5
tragabigzanda wrote:
tommymtcom wrote:
stip wrote:
tommymtcom wrote:
spike wrote:
stip wrote:
spike wrote:
Strat wrote:If Clinton does get the nomination, I can only assume Sanders would ultimately back her and throw his support/voters towards Clinton?
that's what he's supposed to do, but maybe he tries to run as an independent, which would be horrible.
he has said he wouldn't, and there's no reason to assume he'd go back on that
as he accumulates more and more donations...
What happens to all that money if he drops out? Who gets it?
They can use it for future runs, or donate it to charities or other parties/candidates.
Could he use it for his next senate run? What do candidates typically do with it?
Couldn't say for sure, but I don't think that would be kosher. Donations given for a particular candidacy couldn't then be allocated towards running for another position, right? Just sounds amoral.
There are very few restrictions on what they can do with that money. The big one is it can't be for personal use. Besides that like stip said they can donate to other candidates, contribute to PACs, contribute to the party, give it to charity, or they can keep it indefinitely as their own campaign fund.

People would probably be surprised to learn that Leadership PAC money on the other hand can be used for personal use after the politician retires. 60 minutes did an excellent segment on that maybe a year or so go.