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Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 6:03 pm
by tree_
Ms Harmless wrote:it's OK to be on the first rung on the ladder of thinking about how we should deal with that
This feels like an insult. How should we deal with it, ms smarty pants

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 6:17 pm
by Ms Harmless
Jorge wrote:This is less a conversation about freedom of speech and more about freedom of slap
on one slapping hand, it isn't, because I haven't argued that Will shouldn't be disciplined through whatever legal channels exist to do that; I've only said that I was personally pro-Will, for my reasons; other people ran with everything I said (and didn't say) and characterised it as "if I had my extremist way, I would enforce across the land the power for anyone to slap whoever they wanted for whatever they wanted"

on the other slapping hand, it is, because everyone has freedom of slap already (we're aware of that, right?); you really can do whatever you want, when you want; the catch, though, is that freedom of slap doesn't come with freedom from consequences and accountability

and it would be so great if the same was true for hurtful words, even if the consequence for those looked different, and highly contextual

maybe Will should go to prison

maybe Chris should be obligated to apologise; teachers make us do this at school and no one bats an eye

maybe that would be somewhere towards what we could call equal

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 6:19 pm
by Ms Harmless
I just want Chris to acknowledge his potty mouth, THAT'S IT

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 6:22 pm
by Ms Harmless
Burt seems to think I'm a "tyrant" and I threaten his freedom of speech because I ask for things he doesn't personally need

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 6:52 pm
by BurtReynolds
Ms Harmless wrote:Burt seems to think I'm a "tyrant" and I threaten his freedom of speech because I ask for things he doesn't personally need
(you're doing it again)


What are these things that you are merely "asking" for? And what happens when I refuse? Are you still just asking then?

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 6:55 pm
by Ms Harmless
BurtReynolds wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:Burt seems to think I'm a "tyrant" and I threaten his freedom of speech because I ask for things he doesn't personally need
(you're doing it again)


What are these things that you are merely "asking" for? And what happens when I refuse? Are you still just asking then?
I'm not asking you personally for diddly squat, don't worry

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 6:58 pm
by Ms Harmless
actually there is one thing: let's drop any imaginary ideas that you're not being wildly subjective

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 7:05 pm
by Ms Harmless
Ms Harmless wrote:
Jorge wrote:This is less a conversation about freedom of speech and more about freedom of slap
on one slapping hand, it isn't, because I haven't argued that Will shouldn't be disciplined through whatever legal channels exist to do that; I've only said that I was personally pro-Will, for my reasons; other people ran with everything I said (and didn't say) and characterised it as "if I had my extremist way, I would enforce across the land the power for anyone to slap whoever they wanted for whatever they wanted"

on the other slapping hand, it is, because everyone has freedom of slap already (we're aware of that, right?); you really can do whatever you want, when you want; the catch, though, is that freedom of slap doesn't come with freedom from consequences and accountability

and it would be so great if the same was true for hurtful words, even if the consequence for those looked different, and highly contextual

maybe Will should go to prison

maybe Chris should be obligated to apologise; teachers make us do this at school and no one bats an eye

maybe that would be somewhere towards what we could call equal
Burt, I am asking for this

if the BurtReynolds RM account can't ring the academy and get it done for me, I will happily accept defeat

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 7:13 pm
by Ms Harmless
and please understand, when I say "asking", I don't mean rolling up to your house in the middle of the night, throwing eggs at your window and slashing your tires until you give it to me

I mean saying on RM "this would be a cool thing to see"

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 7:21 pm
by Ms Harmless
literally everything you're saying to me Burt is precedeeded by this ridiculous foregone conclusion you've made up in your head that I'm a "tyrant", based on a weird belief that people like me want to storm your fort and steal your horses

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 7:22 pm
by Mickey
Are you or are you not in favor of horse redistribution?

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 7:26 pm
by Ms Harmless
Mickey wrote:Are you or are you not in favor of horse redistribution?
what do you mean by "horse"? guns? wealth? brain cells by way of a swift kick to the chops?

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 7:34 pm
by Mickey
Ms Harmless wrote:
Mickey wrote:Are you or are you not in favor of horse redistribution?
what do you mean by "horse"? guns? wealth? brain cells by way of a swift kick to the chops?
Don't equivocate.

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 7:43 pm
by Ms Harmless
Mickey wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
Mickey wrote:Are you or are you not in favor of horse redistribution?
what do you mean by "horse"? guns? wealth? brain cells by way of a swift kick to the chops?
Don't equivocate.
based on horses alone... I don't need any horses; I haven't put much thought to whether people don't have horses that need them; I think it's good if someone is thinking about that

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 7:43 pm
by BurtReynolds
Ms Harmless wrote:literally everything you're saying to me Burt is precedeeded by this ridiculous foregone conclusion you've made up in your head that I'm a "tyrant", based on a weird belief that people like me want to storm your fort and steal your horses
Great, I'll remind you of this next time you start spouting off about justified slaps and censorship laws.

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 7:45 pm
by Ms Harmless
BurtReynolds wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:literally everything you're saying to me Burt is precedeeded by this ridiculous foregone conclusion you've made up in your head that I'm a "tyrant", based on a weird belief that people like me want to storm your fort and steal your horses
Great, I'll remind you of this next time you start spouting off about justified slaps and censorship laws.
can't fucking wait buddy

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 7:47 pm
by Mickey
Ms Harmless wrote:
Mickey wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
Mickey wrote:Are you or are you not in favor of horse redistribution?
what do you mean by "horse"? guns? wealth? brain cells by way of a swift kick to the chops?
Don't equivocate.
based on horses alone... I don't need any horses; I haven't put much thought to whether people don't have horses that need them; I think it's good if someone is thinking about that
From each accord to his stable, to each according to his ride.

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 8:06 pm
by Ms Harmless
Mickey wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
Mickey wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
Mickey wrote:Are you or are you not in favor of horse redistribution?
what do you mean by "horse"? guns? wealth? brain cells by way of a swift kick to the chops?
Don't equivocate.
based on horses alone... I don't need any horses; I haven't put much thought to whether people don't have horses that need them; I think it's good if someone is thinking about that
From each accord to his stable, to each according to his ride.
yeehaw

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 8:11 pm
by Ms Harmless
"accountability culture please"

"censorship laws?"

"no, just accountability culture please"

"ah! censorship laws! I thought so!"

"no, just --"

"you can pry my imaginary list of words I enjoy from my cold dead hands, with a wrench!"

"OK; I'm going to the shop, want anything?"

Re: Are you not going to watch the Oscars this year?

Posted: Sat April 02, 2022 8:12 pm
by BurtReynolds
nice try.