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Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Fri July 11, 2014 11:21 pm
by numbers
Coach wrote:
numbers wrote:If all the celtics end up with is a million late first round picks, is it that genius of a plan?
Of course not. But the recent trade and other moves mean the C's could have as little as $21 million committed to the 2015-16 season. So, it's more about the combination of freeing up money to splurge on two free agents, drafting smartly, trading some picks for other assets, etc. There have been some gems in the mid-late first round.
I have good confidence in Ainge's ability to draft smartly, the problem to me is there is no Pierce this time. Rondo isnt a player you can build a team around, before they had Pierce and just needed the guys to complement him. This time they need everything.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Fri July 11, 2014 11:41 pm
by B
Green Habit wrote:Crazy. Do Cleveland fans now instantly forgive him?
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/21 ... hared=true

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Fri July 11, 2014 11:48 pm
by verb_to_trust
4/5 wrote:I hope I get tickets to the first Cavs/Heat game so I can stand and cheer loudly to thank that man for the last 4 years.
I wouldn't be shocked to see an immature reaction before that game. You are a good basketball man but I've always felt like there are a lot of fair weather fans down there.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat July 12, 2014 12:17 am
by Chris_H_2
I've been gone. So what'd I miss in the NBA today? Anything big?

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat July 12, 2014 12:27 am
by Coach
numbers wrote:
Coach wrote:
numbers wrote:If all the celtics end up with is a million late first round picks, is it that genius of a plan?
Of course not. But the recent trade and other moves mean the C's could have as little as $21 million committed to the 2015-16 season. So, it's more about the combination of freeing up money to splurge on two free agents, drafting smartly, trading some picks for other assets, etc. There have been some gems in the mid-late first round.
I have good confidence in Ainge's ability to draft smartly, the problem to me is there is no Pierce this time. Rondo isnt a player you can build a team around, before they had Pierce and just needed the guys to complement him. This time they need everything.
That team was built around KG, who altered the game on both sides of the floor. Pierce and Allen complemented KG. The only untouchable and "irreplaceable" player on that team was KG.

I still think that Rondo, plus two TBD marque talents is a solid base with potential. However, if Rondo insists on a max deal, I would trade him and trust that Smart is the real deal.

The thing that bothers me about giving up on Rondo is that 1. He can play in Boston and deal with the crap that comes with it and 2. He wants to be in Boston, a place that is not necessarily a strong "destination" city for NBA talent.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat July 12, 2014 12:33 am
by verb_to_trust
Bosh signing for stupid large cash to stay in Miami. Dude better toughen up and stop standing around on the three point line if he's gonna be the man...

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat July 12, 2014 3:09 am
by numbers
Coach wrote:
numbers wrote:
Coach wrote:
numbers wrote:If all the celtics end up with is a million late first round picks, is it that genius of a plan?
Of course not. But the recent trade and other moves mean the C's could have as little as $21 million committed to the 2015-16 season. So, it's more about the combination of freeing up money to splurge on two free agents, drafting smartly, trading some picks for other assets, etc. There have been some gems in the mid-late first round.
I have good confidence in Ainge's ability to draft smartly, the problem to me is there is no Pierce this time. Rondo isnt a player you can build a team around, before they had Pierce and just needed the guys to complement him. This time they need everything.
That team was built around KG, who altered the game on both sides of the floor. Pierce and Allen complemented KG. The only untouchable and "irreplaceable" player on that team was KG.

I still think that Rondo, plus two TBD marque talents is a solid base with potential. However, if Rondo insists on a max deal, I would trade him and trust that Smart is the real deal.

The thing that bothers me about giving up on Rondo is that 1. He can play in Boston and deal with the crap that comes with it and 2. He wants to be in Boston, a place that is not necessarily a strong "destination" city for NBA talent.
Your number one guy cant be someone who cant shoot.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat July 12, 2014 1:03 pm
by Coach
numbers wrote:
Coach wrote:
numbers wrote:
Coach wrote:
numbers wrote:If all the celtics end up with is a million late first round picks, is it that genius of a plan?
Of course not. But the recent trade and other moves mean the C's could have as little as $21 million committed to the 2015-16 season. So, it's more about the combination of freeing up money to splurge on two free agents, drafting smartly, trading some picks for other assets, etc. There have been some gems in the mid-late first round.
I have good confidence in Ainge's ability to draft smartly, the problem to me is there is no Pierce this time. Rondo isnt a player you can build a team around, before they had Pierce and just needed the guys to complement him. This time they need everything.
That team was built around KG, who altered the game on both sides of the floor. Pierce and Allen complemented KG. The only untouchable and "irreplaceable" player on that team was KG.

I still think that Rondo, plus two TBD marque talents is a solid base with potential. However, if Rondo insists on a max deal, I would trade him and trust that Smart is the real deal.

The thing that bothers me about giving up on Rondo is that 1. He can play in Boston and deal with the crap that comes with it and 2. He wants to be in Boston, a place that is not necessarily a strong "destination" city for NBA talent.
Your number one guy cant be someone who cant shoot.
Rondo/Smart doesn't have to be the No. 1 guy.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat July 12, 2014 1:59 pm
by Peeps
verb_to_trust wrote:
4/5 wrote:I hope I get tickets to the first Cavs/Heat game so I can stand and cheer loudly to thank that man for the last 4 years.
I wouldn't be shocked to see an immature reaction before that game. You are a good basketball man but I've always felt like there are a lot of fair weather fans down there everywhere.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat July 12, 2014 7:34 pm
by Fuck You Jobu
Chris_H_2 wrote:I've been gone. So what'd I miss in the NBA today? Anything big?
Derek Rose didn't play basketball.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat July 12, 2014 8:59 pm
by verb_to_trust
Melo will never win a title.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat July 12, 2014 9:03 pm
by bada
You can't expect someone to pass up that much money.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sun July 13, 2014 2:19 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Pierce to the Wizards

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sun July 13, 2014 3:32 pm
by BigRedLedbetter
verb_to_trust wrote:Melo will never win a title.
I guess he did at Syracuse haha.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sun July 13, 2014 4:58 pm
by red calzolaio
bada wrote:You can't expect someone to pass up that much money.
someone that genuinely wants a ring would.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sun July 13, 2014 5:49 pm
by bada
You'd risk 30+ million on Derrick Rose?

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sun July 13, 2014 8:16 pm
by Peeps
red calzolaio wrote:
bada wrote:You can't expect someone to pass up that much money.
someone that genuinely wants a ring would.

see....damned if you do damned if you dont

either your greedy and want max money
or you suck and cant do it by yourself so you and two friends play for less on the same team that can afford it

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sun July 13, 2014 10:19 pm
by bada
Its to the point that every draft pick and free agent signing is considered a failure unless the team is immediately going to win a championship.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Mon July 14, 2014 2:27 am
by red calzolaio
all good points.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Mon July 14, 2014 3:01 pm
by Coach
When does the next bargaining session between owners and players happen? I think the NBA is ripe for change in regards to free agents, trades, etc.