Red Mosquito

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Oh god, not this subjectivity/objectivity bullshit again.

please calm down

Bi_3 wrote:GB v Dallas. Great game

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:GB v Dallas. Great game

FUCK OUTTA HERE WITH THIS SHIT

VinylGuy wrote:i just finished Togetherness...although i hated the pilot back then and there is enough of sugar moments to fell sick, its was a nice enough show. I liked the 4 main characters, specially Amanda Peet's one and of course Melanie Lynskey.
Cool show.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:i just finished Togetherness...although i hated the pilot back then and there is enough of sugar moments to fell sick, its was a nice enough show. I liked the 4 main characters, specially Amanda Peet's one and of course Melanie Lynskey.
Cool show.

I enjoyed its limited run.

tragabigzanda wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:"World building" is a really overrated concept, and time isn't the factor in making that good, anyway.

Also, I said dramatic shows. Of course this wouldn't apply to episodic comedy like Sunny.

Good exposition, character development, plot development, theme development, and - sure - world-building are done through cinematic skill, not by taking more time. Either a film/TV-maker is skilled or they aren't. The "new parameters" hurt more than they help.

Parameters of any sort, new or old, are never themselves inherently bad to the creative process. It's all in how the creator works within those parameters (perhaps what you are referring to with "cinematic skill"). I'm simply suggesting the the aforementioned TV shows are examples of creative people working very effectively within the new parameters. I'm not suggesting it's somehow better than film; just that the conventional film parameters reveal their own flaws constantly. The new parameters are new; I suspect we'll see more great "TV" (dump streaming, etc) continue to use them well, while the major film studios will continue to trend towards tent-pole and "same day as theater."

I get what you're saying, but I don't share your optimism about the transition because I've seen almost no evidence that work within these "new" parameters is any good at all. It just feels like we are going to keep moving further and further away from sensuality and feeling in our art. I'm not interested in what these new parameters are fostering. At least so far.

The bolded part is intriguing, and I can see how this might inform your appreciation of BvsS (and that sense of feeling-through-imagery was my favorite part.

Which of the shows I listed have you watched?

tragabigzanda wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:"World building" is a really overrated concept, and time isn't the factor in making that good, anyway.

Also, I said dramatic shows. Of course this wouldn't apply to episodic comedy like Sunny.

Good exposition, character development, plot development, theme development, and - sure - world-building are done through cinematic skill, not by taking more time. Either a film/TV-maker is skilled or they aren't. The "new parameters" hurt more than they help.

Parameters of any sort, new or old, are never themselves inherently bad to the creative process. It's all in how the creator works within those parameters (perhaps what you are referring to with "cinematic skill"). I'm simply suggesting the the aforementioned TV shows are examples of creative people working very effectively within the new parameters. I'm not suggesting it's somehow better than film; just that the conventional film parameters reveal their own flaws constantly. The new parameters are new; I suspect we'll see more great "TV" (dump streaming, etc) continue to use them well, while the major film studios will continue to trend towards tent-pole and "same day as theater."

I get what you're saying, but I don't share your optimism about the transition because I've seen almost no evidence that work within these "new" parameters is any good at all. It just feels like we are going to keep moving further and further away from sensuality and feeling in our art. I'm not interested in what these new parameters are fostering. At least so far.

The bolded part is intriguing, and I can see how this might inform your appreciation of BvsS (and that sense of feeling-through-imagery was my favorite part.

Which of the shows I listed have you watched?

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:Maron S4 just came to Netflix. It's the best season yet (which means it's decent).

durdencommatyler wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:i just finished Togetherness...although i hated the pilot back then and there is enough of sugar moments to fell sick, its was a nice enough show. I liked the 4 main characters, specially Amanda Peet's one and of course Melanie Lynskey.
Cool show.

I enjoyed its limited run.

S1 was vastly superior, I thought, to S2. But I enjoyed every episode and really hate that it got cancelled. Big fan of Togetherness.

VinylGuy wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:i just finished Togetherness...although i hated the pilot back then and there is enough of sugar moments to fell sick, its was a nice enough show. I liked the 4 main characters, specially Amanda Peet's one and of course Melanie Lynskey.
Cool show.

I enjoyed its limited run.

S1 was vastly superior, I thought, to S2. But I enjoyed every episode and really hate that it got cancelled. Big fan of Togetherness.

I hated the first two episodes and after i listened to the Duplass´s podcast with BEE i became interested again. And it was fine, some good moments, some pretty bad ones...it was nice. I dont think a third season was needed..specially with that ending.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:i just finished Togetherness...although i hated the pilot back then and there is enough of sugar moments to fell sick, its was a nice enough show. I liked the 4 main characters, specially Amanda Peet's one and of course Melanie Lynskey.
Cool show.

I enjoyed its limited run.

S1 was vastly superior, I thought, to S2. But I enjoyed every episode and really hate that it got cancelled. Big fan of Togetherness.

I hated the first two episodes and after i listened to the Duplass´s podcast with BEE i became interested again. And it was fine, some good moments, some pretty bad ones...it was nice. I dont think a third season was needed..specially with that ending.

I agree. It definitely ran out of steam in the second season, but the ending was nice.

BurtReynolds wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Maron S4 just came to Netflix. It's the best season yet (which means it's decent).

I feel like it's a little off, but still funny. Kinda feels more contrived.

I guess this is the last one? That's too bad.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.